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On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

> Given that *ro lo ctesa'afe'i cu cipnrmuskikapida*
>
> one might translate it as "Don't be a nightingale *whether or not* a
> flycatcher, if you're a dog. "
>

I don't think so, for these reasons:
1) The author of the original probably doesn't know about the I'd assume
fairly recent taxonomical change to the Nightingale- after all, jbovlaste
lists Nightingale as a keyword for {turdida}. (Which should probably be
fixed, now that I think of it.)

2) The meaning of the English could be equivalently said "If you're a dog,
do not try to be a nightingale, and do not try to be a flycatcher."

3) Not all flycatchers are nightingales.

I would say it would more correctly be "Don't be a nightingale *or other
kind of* flycatcher, if you're a dog."

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div cla=
ss=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>Given that <b>ro lo&nbsp;<span st=
yle=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">ctesa&#39;afe&#39;i cu&=
nbsp;</span><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">cipnrmuskika=
pida</font></b></div>

<div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><d=
iv><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">one might translate i=
t as &quot;Don&rsquo;t be a nightingale <u>whether or not</u> a flycatcher,=
 if you&rsquo;re a dog.&nbsp;</font><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-s=
erif">&quot;</span></div>

</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I=
 don&#39;t think so, for these reasons:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
>1) The author of the original probably doesn&#39;t know about the I&#39;d =
assume fairly recent taxonomical change to the Nightingale- after all, jbov=
laste lists Nightingale as a keyword for {turdida}. (Which should probably =
be fixed, now that I think of it.)<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">2) The meaning of the English could be=
 equivalently said &quot;If you&#39;re a dog, do not try to be a nightingal=
e, and do not try to be a flycatcher.&quot;<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra">
3) Not all flycatchers are nightingales.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra">I would say it would more correctly be &quot;<font color=3D"#000000" =
face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Don&rsquo;t be a nightingale <u>or other kind of=
</u> flycatcher, if you&rsquo;re a dog.&quot;</font></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.=
e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<b=
r>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
</div></div>

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