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"Don't be a flycatcher *whether or not* a nightingale, if you're a dog."
would also work, however.


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:17 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Given that *ro lo ctesa'afe'i cu cipnrmuskikapida*
>>
>> one might translate it as "Don't be a nightingale *whether or not* a
>> flycatcher, if you're a dog. "
>>
>
> I don't think so, for these reasons:
> 1) The author of the original probably doesn't know about the I'd assume
> fairly recent taxonomical change to the Nightingale- after all, jbovlaste
> lists Nightingale as a keyword for {turdida}. (Which should probably be
> fixed, now that I think of it.)
>
> 2) The meaning of the English could be equivalently said "If you're a dog,
> do not try to be a nightingale, and do not try to be a flycatcher."
>
> 3) Not all flycatchers are nightingales.
>
> I would say it would more correctly be "Don't be a nightingale *or other
> kind of* flycatcher, if you're a dog."
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div dir=3D"ltr">&quot;<font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">D=
on&rsquo;t be a </font><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><=
font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">flycatcher</font> <u>whet=
her or not</u> a </font><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">=
<font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">nightingale</font>, if y=
ou&rsquo;re a dog.&quot; would also work, however.<br>
</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:17 AM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im"><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:10 AM=
, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>Given that <b>ro lo&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">ctesa&#39;afe&#39;i cu&nbsp;</span><=
font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">cipnrmuskikapida</font></=
b></div>


<div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><d=
iv><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">one might translate i=
t as &quot;Don&rsquo;t be a nightingale <u>whether or not</u> a flycatcher,=
 if you&rsquo;re a dog.&nbsp;</font><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-s=
erif">&quot;</span></div>


</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra">I don&#39;t think so, for these reasons:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra">1) The author of the original probably doesn&#39;t know about the I&=
#39;d assume fairly recent taxonomical change to the Nightingale- after all=
, jbovlaste lists Nightingale as a keyword for {turdida}. (Which should pro=
bably be fixed, now that I think of it.)<br>

<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">2) The meaning of the English could be=
 equivalently said &quot;If you&#39;re a dog, do not try to be a nightingal=
e, and do not try to be a flycatcher.&quot;<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra">

3) Not all flycatchers are nightingales.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra">I would say it would more correctly be &quot;<font color=3D"#000000" =
face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Don&rsquo;t be a nightingale <u>or other kind of=
</u> flycatcher, if you&rsquo;re a dog.&quot;</font></div>
<div class=3D"im">
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.=
e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<b=
r>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aion=
ys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu=
 do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
</div>

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