Received: from mail-qc0-f192.google.com ([209.85.216.192]:33225) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WAeK6-0004Iq-Gm for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:37:59 -0800 Received: by mail-qc0-f192.google.com with SMTP id n7sf2602655qcx.29 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:37:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5ZeMLoub2gwtpPEvigDundh9StyQjpATqKhpIKE83zc=; b=KZv2Hm8kjx9WBTL9fHAThyr8eAF0tVvuvnB8Lnfy6LQwy4If36gYt7oCB7Y8QhOUkM B1GQ0sgxaeCqRoFr43hw7qNwTfZ13SnhYJQnV8hv1ITy2Fy6QQdEGhk4r5e+XgM8VFTb FiDkXCn90iRGtwIX7zLjbYPAMq4mhAxaZAvHz+utxJRZ1kmeWztDlf9z12PfC8pVDj8m nBkLFhDu304QtZzhCNbjS5RXMp1vaFj0v7Z0BmwMdXjMm80T7RrIIpp/QD4ylKxu+Fv3 vcKyoJxP+zo50zp4nIcu8YL9jtWh4qmD4rsj0q1YY8VnaOeB317hp9TcJKBIBqOhKhMJ rCpg== X-Received: by 10.50.66.243 with SMTP id i19mr285385igt.17.1391513864367; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:37:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.117.38 with SMTP id kb6ls2600692igb.39.gmail; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:37:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.166.199 with SMTP id zi7mr17657138pab.30.1391513864015; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x229.google.com (mail-qa0-x229.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eb2si162389qcb.0.2014.02.04.03.37.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::229; Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id w8so12020020qac.14 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:37:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.84.198 with SMTP id k6mr46141952qcl.20.1391513863874; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.188.65 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 03:37:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5c3089a5-ee11-4333-90da-0949df1c39a5@googlegroups.com> <529DB630.4070107@gmx.de> <1c70a014-4773-4425-8739-8c2f46a4a541@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 04:37:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Translation From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134541a8e6ddc04f19311e0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a1134541a8e6ddc04f19311e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2) Technically, yes, although actually they start with ".i", which is like the reverse of the period in English: In English the '.' means , whereas {.i} means , and {.i} is not required at the beginning of speech, so the *first* one doesn't have to have it. However, whether or not the "." is in the text, when speaking, the pause in speech the "." represents still has to be there. So, not omitting any "." in that: ko na cipnrkuku fau lo nu do ctesa'acpi .i ko na ctesa'acpi ja sfani bo kavbu fau lo nu do gerku .i ku'i ro da ka'e bacru .i la'oi.Underware. cmene mi'a On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:07 AM, wrote: > Okay, many thanks to everybody. Really great. Since my knowledge of Lojban > is pretty limited, is this a correct summary of everything above: > > .i ko na cipnrkuku fau lo nu do ctesa'acpi > .i ko na ctesa'acpi ja sfani bo kavbu fau lo nu do gerku > .i ku'i ro da ka'e bacru > .i la'oi Underware cmene mi'a > > > 2 more remarks: > 1) As "Underware" is a name it can remain untranslated. > 2) Every sentence should start with a period, correct? > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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2) Technically, yes, although actually they= start with ".i", which is like the reverse of the period in Engl= ish: In English the '.' means <end of sentence>, whereas {.i}= means <beginning of new utterance>, and {.i} is not required at the = beginning of speech, so the first one doesn't have to have it.
However, whether or not the "." is in the text, when sp= eaking, the pause in speech the "." represents still has to be th= ere.

So, not omitting any "." in that:

ko na cipnrkuku fau lo nu do ctesa'acpi
.i ko na cte= sa'acpi ja sfani bo kavbu fau lo nu do gerku
.i ku'i ro d= a ka'e bacru
.i la'oi.Underware. cmene mi'a


O= n Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:07 AM, <bas@underware.nl> wrote:
=
Okay, many thanks to everybody. Really great. Since m= y knowledge of Lojban is pretty limited, is this a correct summary of every= thing above:

.i ko na cipnrkuku fau= lo nu do ctesa'acpi
.i ko na ctesa'acpi ja sfani bo kavbu fau lo nu do gerku
.i ku'i ro da ka'e bacru
.i la= 9;oi Underware cmene mi'a


2 more remarks:
1) As “Underware” is a name it c= an remain untranslated. 
2) Every sentence should start with= a period, correct?


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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l= uk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. = :D )

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