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Thank you xorxes and .asiz

"lo pa xanto" can only be a single elephant: the elephant in front of you,
> the African elephant, the elephant being digested by a boa constrictor in
> Saint-Exupery's drawing, etc. but it always has to be one. It cannot be a
> group of elephants in front of you, all African elephants, the millions of
> elephants being digested by boa constrictors in the millions of
> reproductions of that picture, etc.
>

I'm using the expansions suggested in
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+gadri, where

    lo pa xanto = zo'e noi ke'a xanto gi'e zilkancu li pa lo xanto,

but {lo xanto} can be plural, so this removes the effect of the zilkancu
part. Is it that I misunderstand this equation, or is it just false?

.asiz suggested:

    {lo pa xanto cu zilkancu li pa lo ka xanto},

This might have been better, but the other examples do not use a
ka-abstraction in zilkancu3, so zilkancu1 in {zilkancu li pa lo ka xanto},
would seem to be to be a property, not an elephant.

ki'e mi'e la danr

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you xorxes and .asiz<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">


<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>&quot;lo pa xant=
o&quot; can only be a single elephant: the elephant in front of you, the Af=
rican elephant, the elephant being digested by a boa constrictor in Saint-E=
xupery&#39;s drawing, etc. but it always has to be one. It cannot be a grou=
p of elephants in front of you, all African elephants, the millions of elep=
hants being digested by boa constrictors in the millions of reproductions o=
f that picture, etc.</div>


</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;m using the expansions sugges=
ted in <a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+gadri" target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+gadri</a>, where<br><br>

=A0=A0=A0 lo pa xanto =3D zo&#39;e noi ke&#39;a xanto gi&#39;e zilkancu li =
pa lo xanto,<br>
<br>but {lo xanto} can be plural, so this removes the effect of the zilkanc=
u part. Is it that I misunderstand this equation, or is it just false? <br>=
<br>.asiz suggested:<br><br>=A0=A0=A0 {lo pa xanto cu zilkancu li pa lo ka =
xanto},<br>


<br>This might have been better, but the other examples do not use a ka-abs=
traction in zilkancu3, so zilkancu1 in {zilkancu li pa lo ka xanto}, would =
seem to be to be a property, not an elephant.<br><br>ki&#39;e mi&#39;e la d=
anr<br>


</div></div></div></div>

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