Received: from mail-vc0-f192.google.com ([209.85.220.192]:34949) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WAlgq-00087p-MP for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:29:55 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f192.google.com with SMTP id lh14sf2851214vcb.9 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:29:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rOM0kFQ51vp25MlHE72dmVIeiwof9eA8X4hNklm9+y8=; b=li6A5M5Lph0+89dQHgrWMuX3O8mjRnjeYuFH+PMMkHIWuIwVzRpOOGt7HZ6qZYxkJM XT3G2rUf1jS0WQ2QJrEJ+JBnE+oL4FOysYGLSpxhn1g8pGnsYbCuJ7yqhED0Lk8v0ta+ E/t4w37zBhn/4vq0NcRKKxpefHnNREqsj6BogbMdgCNw6KDhT32juNqxrMqpEQAuOMJF HSz0TY6nPZnOcyB7g2iu1/aRWiOSovtnxAqjNviGmtIXXsPKHzHAL5nyPn3H2qw/NkGT S91IWjtfUlEqcsgI6fEso/bTPem5o7g0T/yT6IF9sIAE4B6KjJoy4bpuQjV/ydU/Vcj7 sO3A== X-Received: by 10.140.105.181 with SMTP id c50mr49452qgf.12.1391542182373; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:29:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.39.37 with SMTP id u34ls2523962qgu.37.gmail; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:29:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.41.234 with SMTP id h70mr500325yhb.42.1391542181954; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x231.google.com (mail-qa0-x231.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a2si466601qci.3.2014.02.04.11.29.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::231; Received: by mail-qa0-x231.google.com with SMTP id w8so12762236qac.8 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:29:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.109.228 with SMTP id l91mr65150482qgf.72.1391542181861; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.3.3 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:29:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <88819e42-968e-4494-acfe-edbb6e3f9358@googlegroups.com> References: <0f438513-25ad-4873-993a-ea57be6607de@googlegroups.com> <88819e42-968e-4494-acfe-edbb6e3f9358@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:29:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Scientific Method From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1138fa8470a33704f199a982 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a1138fa8470a33704f199a982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, the scientific method is a smadi jo'u cipyzu'e jo'u zgana terske, isn't it? Seems like a lot to compress into,.say, a lujvo... --gejyspa On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:03 PM, menkei wrote: > iecai mi nelci lo se cusku be la asiz .i mi tugni .i ui > > > > El jueves, 16 de enero de 2014 18:26:57 UTC-6, .asiz. escribi=C3=B3: > >> >> On 16 January 2014 19:36, Jacob Errington wrote: >> >>> Ah whoops, {lanli} already includes {tadji} in its x3. I amend my >>> proposed word thus: >>> >>> sketerlanli =3D x1 is the scientific method used in science x2. >>> .i x1 me lo te lanli be x2 noi saske >>> >>> >> I am pretty sure that the scientific method should be primarily a saske3= . >> >> More fundamentally, why would the presence of {lanli} alone be sufficien= t >> to put Science apart from other forms of knowledge? The circumscription = of >> what is Science is open to philosophical debate, and what we call Scienc= e >> depends mostly on a historical tradition and established culture. >> >> My suggestion is to use a fu'ivla based on "scientia" from Latin, which >> unquestionably has a major role in the written tradition that shaped our >> modern concept of Science. That way we would be safer from accusations o= f >> epistemological bias. What do you think? >> >> mu'o >> mi'e .asiz. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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=C2=A0 Well, the scientific method is a smadi jo'u cip= yzu'e jo'u zgana terske, isn't it? Seems like a lot to compress= into,.say, a lujvo...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa



On Fri,= Jan 17, 2014 at 12:03 PM, menkei <dankaivel@gmail.com> wr= ote:
iecai mi nelci lo se cusku = be la asiz .i mi tugni .i ui



El jueves, 16 de enero de 2014 = 18:26:57 UTC-6, .asiz. escribi=C3=B3:
=
On 16 January 2014 19:36, Jacob Erringt= on <nict...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah whoop= s, {lanli} already includes {tadji} in its x3. I amend my proposed word thu= s:

sketerlanli =3D x1 is the scientific method used in science x2.
.i x= 1 me lo te lanli be x2 noi saske


I am pretty sure that= the scientific method should be primarily a saske3.

More fundamentally, why would the presence of {lanli} alone be sufficient to put Science apart from other forms of knowledge? The circumscription of what is Science is open to philosophical debate, and what we call=20 Science depends mostly on a historical tradition and established=20 culture.

My suggestion is to use a fu'ivla based on=20 "scientia" from Latin, which unquestionably has a major role in t= he=20 written tradition that shaped our modern concept of Science. That way we would be safer from accusations of epistemological bias. What do you=20 think?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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