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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 19:56:36 -0200
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Hmm, the analysis of this as certainty+assumption hasn't sunk in yet, but I
think I see the unity behind the examples.

In all of them, the cusku is abducting something from his experience, don't
you think?

If this is the case, it reminds me of {ja'o}, because it is an inference,
after all. Admittedly, {ja'o} would sound strange to me, because I feel
like the cusku is concluding something from what was said before. Maybe a
{za'a} could help?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.


On 4 February 2014 19:36, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
> felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe... But in alis we have {ru'a ju'o}:
>> {ru'a ju'o mi se polje tai tu'a lo darvistci}
>>
>> xorxes?
>>
>
> The original is:  `I must be shutting up like a telescope.'
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Hmm, the analysis of this as certainty+assumptio=
n hasn&#39;t sunk in yet, but I think I see the unity behind the examples.<=
br><br></div>In all of them, the cusku is abducting something from his expe=
rience, don&#39;t you think?<br>
<br>If this is the case, it reminds me of {ja&#39;o}, because it is an infe=
rence, after all. Admittedly, {ja&#39;o} would sound strange to me, because=
 I feel like the cusku is concluding something from what was said before. M=
aybe a {za&#39;a} could help?<br>
<br></div><div>mu&#39;o<br>mi&#39;e .asiz.<br></div><div><br><br></div></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 4 Februa=
ry 2014 19:36, Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjl=
lambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Tue, Feb 4, 201=
4 at 6:06 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">felipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Maybe... But in alis we have {ru&#39;a ju=
&#39;o}:<br>

{ru&#39;a ju&#39;o mi se polje tai tu&#39;a lo darvistci}<br><br>xorxes?</d=
iv></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>The original is: =A0<span style=
=3D"color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:16.1200008=
392334px">`I must be=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(68,68,68);font-famil=
y:arial,sans-serif;line-height:16.1200008392334px">shutting up like a teles=
cope</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;=
line-height:16.1200008392334px">.&#39;</span></div>

<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-h=
eight:16.1200008392334px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(68=
,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:16.1200008392334px">mu&#39=
;o mi&#39;e xorxes</span></div>

<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-h=
eight:16.1200008392334px"><br></span></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"=
HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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