Received: from mail-vc0-f184.google.com ([209.85.220.184]:63860) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WAopX-0001Ck-9C for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:51:14 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f184.google.com with SMTP id hu8sf2794040vcb.1 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:50:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pPAHRiHqFyMfDts8yUFCcvYU+ebThXXifa7u05SlHss=; b=Fm8J4bNWMIpFu+FZPJ6YRnP7zsYm5QkKOSlZ65+00Sb9UyNEV4OgleXIMTrLpfhjsd IbbYo/WwNWvbm1Z9pVBUQPtnp3IpuBkoI17inrRfIUxO6pX9Blpf5IiNWolcBg58ih8G j8Nm9kwwdHciWKp/hfmK+dEVOB9cERSE9ZSMxUP/PMKMbQVUEcSBQIhPnvLMhYnDiz3X zP5pgAG3w1uXW01A20XSCjHNlBmhBmbqqKBnAnyIyzjPdpkgqWDSVZRkCeWx+LYvJlwy UVX6AgvQjvvchgYE3oyqOjBrjEbxTXKuBglyzJG2zgT05WYGzmNKvmP0XdGOLcHRkjA6 yoAA== X-Received: by 10.182.246.133 with SMTP id xw5mr316065obc.14.1391554252636; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:50:52 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.207.4 with SMTP id ls4ls491969obc.82.gmail; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:50:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.87.225 with SMTP id bb1mr17564535obb.16.1391554252341; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-x235.google.com (mail-vb0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c02::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ys4si1864320vdc.2.2014.02.04.14.50.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c02::235; Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id p17so6154219vbe.40 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:50:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.100.100 with SMTP id ex4mr34936744veb.2.1391554252230; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.8.195 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:50:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 20:50:52 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Individuals and xorlo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33c706e3d4fd04f19c7892 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b33c706e3d4fd04f19c7892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis < felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 4 February 2014 16:31, Dan Ros=E9n wrote: > >> >> lo pa xanto =3D zo'e noi ke'a xanto gi'e zilkancu li pa lo xanto, >> >> but {lo xanto} can be plural, so this removes the effect of the zilkancu >> part. Is it that I misunderstand this equation, or is it just false? >> >> > I don't have much to say. I can't make sense of this equation, and > disregard it. > > Let me just note that making xanto singular wouldn't help me either: Whic= h > elephant in the world could possibly be a unit for counting elephants? > If you don't think that the elephant is a good unit for counting elephants, you could say "lo gradu be fi lo ka xanto", or, as you said, redefine "kancu" so that it takes a tergradu instead of a gradu in x4. Do you have the same qualms with "lo mitre" or "lo snidu" to refer to units? What would you fill the x1 of gradu with? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7b33c706e3d4fd04f19c7892 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <f= elipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:



On 4 February 2014= 16:31, Dan Ros=E9n <lurifax@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0=A0=A0 lo pa xanto =3D zo'e noi ke'a xanto gi'e zilkancu li = pa lo xanto,

but {lo xanto} can be plural, so this removes the effect of the z= ilkancu part. Is it that I misunderstand this equation, or is it just false= ?


I don't h= ave much to say. I can't make sense of this equation, and disregard it.=

Let me just note that making xanto singular wouldn't help me either= : Which elephant in the world could possibly be a unit for counting elephan= ts?

If you don'= t think that the elephant is a good unit for counting elephants, you could = say "lo gradu be fi lo ka xanto", or, as you said, redefine "= ;kancu" so that it takes a tergradu instead of a gradu in x4.

Do you have the same qualms with "lo mitre" o= r "lo snidu" to refer to units? What would you fill the x1 of gra= du with?

mu'o mi'e xorxes=A0

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