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Subject: Re: [lojban] Individuals and xorlo
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On 4 February 2014 20:50, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
> felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Let me just note that making xanto singular wouldn't help me either:
>> Which elephant in the world could possibly be a unit for counting elepha=
nts?
>>
>
> If you don't think that the elephant is a good unit for counting
> elephants, you could say "lo gradu be fi lo ka xanto", or, as you said,
> redefine "kancu" so that it takes a tergradu instead of a gradu in x4.
>
>
I am sorry, maybe you can expand on your understanding of {gradu}?

The best I could come up with for using {gradu} is, e.g.,
  {ko'a gradu lo si'o mitre} <=3D> {ko'a mitre li pa}
  {gradu ko'e ko'i} <=3D> {ko'e ckilu ko'i}
with, e.g,
  {lo si'o mitre cu ckilu lo ka ma kau ni ce'u clani}


> Do you have the same qualms with "lo mitre" or "lo snidu" to refer to
> units? What would you fill the x1 of gradu with?
>
>
As exposed, I would indeed fill the x1 of {gradu} with {lo mitre} and {lo
snidu}, but to me these are references to things that are one meter and one
second long, respectively. They are concrete stuff. A standard of
measurement would be a se gradu or a ckilu.

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On 4 February 2014 20:50, Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Tue, Feb 4=
, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">felipeg.assis@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>Let me just note that making xanto singular=
 wouldn&#39;t help me either: Which elephant in the world could possibly be=
 a unit for counting elephants?</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div>If you don&#=
39;t think that the elephant is a good unit for counting elephants, you cou=
ld say &quot;lo gradu be fi lo ka xanto&quot;, or, as you said, redefine &q=
uot;kancu&quot; so that it takes a tergradu instead of a gradu in x4.</div>

<div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I am sorry, maybe yo=
u can expand on your understanding of {gradu}?<br><br>The best I could come=
 up with for using {gradu} is, e.g.,<br></div><div>=A0 {ko&#39;a gradu lo s=
i&#39;o mitre} &lt;=3D&gt; {ko&#39;a mitre li pa}<br>
</div><div>=A0 {gradu ko&#39;e ko&#39;i} &lt;=3D&gt; {ko&#39;e ckilu ko&#39=
;i}<br></div><div>with, e.g,<br></div><div>=A0 {lo si&#39;o mitre cu ckilu =
lo ka ma kau ni ce&#39;u clani}<br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
></div><div>Do you have the same qualms with &quot;lo mitre&quot; or &quot;=
lo snidu&quot; to refer to units? What would you fill the x1 of gradu with?=
</div>
<div class=3D"im"><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>As exposed, I would indeed fill the x1 of {gradu} with {lo m=
itre} and {lo snidu}, but to me these are references to things that are one=
 meter and one second long, respectively. They are concrete stuff. A standa=
rd of measurement would be a se gradu or a ckilu.<br>
</div><div>=A0<br></div><div>mu&#39;o<br>mi&#39;e .asiz.<br></div></div></d=
iv></div>

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