Received: from mail-fa0-f56.google.com ([209.85.161.56]:33603) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WB9aE-0001ZF-Oc for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:00:45 -0800 Received: by mail-fa0-f56.google.com with SMTP id m10sf63177fae.1 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:00:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3in8LVgdItb/ZPONyY37FuNRHdD5PpS5aIe2bEKUx7k=; b=hHUuK5EXYeA31cYTvLAk3zjQcrPkSw65vlouWQj9zHC5x2vUzRdz2s2ax+DovbQEEE H8+17HG7IOLLUMY2CpBwrmcq6tgiHGUtpx5EL/vIlWFvZ7u6DDM1mBuyHYJWN3tUM0iy JGQCHQjjSywN1kbE7CdBNWYIJp6MsOpr9gQSRLTvO+xvbp4q0uDZWv5dRyvnHM2KltJY qIEP+XMVY4J6vPbw27BSWYjFLavChuuh1zBA9wMHx4rimYXByhwKz04Zgoenp1QKJkr4 RThPzD1FOw5WvU9FxEp1w8/y8DoqAc1WdsZpGfXlBkMWPNWVWLOQ5v0F9Rm5aJ7LXIo9 5d4Q== X-Received: by 10.180.104.136 with SMTP id ge8mr126583wib.1.1391634007246; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:00:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.24.7 with SMTP id q7ls145384wif.13.gmail; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.209.197 with SMTP id s45mr1762731eeo.4.1391634006280; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.15]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n42si7159640eep.1.2014.02.05.13.00.06 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.15 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.15; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([93.220.99.212]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M9vnQ-1W4WoX464u-00B2WP for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:00:06 +0100 Message-ID: <52F2A65A.8080309@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:00:10 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Individuals and xorlo References: <52F224EA.1000108@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:MebzrUBOEUfVUYL6zV2LltU+Q75wC7KB4NYbD5I653UuC4/tl79 ol5+Nvijk049EWkvpDXNBGo+Rjq5geRFvCV/sBAeXk5VBeA/xO5bcPJ433yUJ+Mw0NXRzI0 p79tsudj9KSjwH3+5cJY+wrEWoDYxMcfpkDPxpRZ9rETrHuvxDWkxU5/5c+imQhxjsNYASl NzOipE+PYu4W/J0rpSiew== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.15 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e > Using a property in zilkancu3 > would probably be clearer for that reason. > > > But "lo ka ce'u xanto" is a property of "lo ci xanto" as well as of > "lo xanto", so I'm not sure it adds anything in that respect. "ka" does > help people who don't like generic references, Personally, I don't mind generic references. > but I'm not sure it does > anything more than "lo xanto" to specify the size of the unit. How would > it help to say that you are counting by things that have the property > "lo ka ce'u xanto" if among those things there's lo ci xanto as well as > lo pa xanto? You're right, it doesn't help at all, because {lo ci xanto cu xanto}. "to be an elephant" is a distributive predicate, but Lojban doesn't put that job on the selbri. We could try: lo ci xanto cu xanto gi'e zilkancu li ci lo ka ro xo kau ce'u xanto And now I'd rather go back to {lo xanto} as the unit. :) mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.