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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:11:51 -0500
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It seems to me that if you allow "pa xanto" or "pa lo xanto" to mean
anything other than "one elephant" without relying on context, there's
going to be a problem.

stevo


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e
>
>>     Using a property in zilkancu3
>>
>>     would probably be clearer for that reason.
>>
>>
>>   But "lo ka ce'u xanto" is a property of "lo ci xanto" as well as of
>> "lo xanto", so I'm not sure it adds anything in that respect. "ka" does
>> help people who don't like generic references,
>>
>
> Personally, I don't mind generic references.
>
>
>  but I'm not sure it does
>> anything more than "lo xanto" to specify the size of the unit. How would
>> it help to say that you are counting by things that have the property
>> "lo ka ce'u xanto" if among those things there's lo ci xanto as well as
>> lo pa xanto?
>>
>
> You're right, it doesn't help at all, because {lo ci xanto cu xanto}.
> "to be an elephant" is a distributive predicate, but Lojban doesn't put
> that job on the selbri. We could try:
>
> lo ci xanto cu xanto gi'e zilkancu li ci lo ka ro xo kau ce'u xanto
>
> And now I'd rather go back to {lo xanto} as the unit. :)
>
>
> mi'e la selpa'i
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">It seems to me that if you allow &quot;pa xanto&quot; or &qu=
ot;pa lo xanto&quot; to mean anything other than &quot;one elephant&quot; w=
ithout relying on context, there&#39;s going to be a problem.=C2=A0</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monos=
pace">stevo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">la .xorxes. cu cusku di&#39;e<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Using a property in zilkancu3<div class=3D"im"><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 would probably be clearer for that reason.<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 But &quot;lo ka ce&#39;u xanto&quot; is a property of &quot;lo ci xa=
nto&quot; as well as of<br>
&quot;lo xanto&quot;, so I&#39;m not sure it adds anything in that respect.=
 &quot;ka&quot; does<br>
help people who don&#39;t like generic references,<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
Personally, I don&#39;t mind generic references.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
but I&#39;m not sure it does<br>
anything more than &quot;lo xanto&quot; to specify the size of the unit. Ho=
w would<br>
it help to say that you are counting by things that have the property<br>
&quot;lo ka ce&#39;u xanto&quot; if among those things there&#39;s lo ci xa=
nto as well as<br>
lo pa xanto?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
You&#39;re right, it doesn&#39;t help at all, because {lo ci xanto cu xanto=
}.<br>
&quot;to be an elephant&quot; is a distributive predicate, but Lojban doesn=
&#39;t put that job on the selbri. We could try:<br>
<br>
lo ci xanto cu xanto gi&#39;e zilkancu li ci lo ka ro xo kau ce&#39;u xanto=
<br>
<br>
And now I&#39;d rather go back to {lo xanto} as the unit. :)<div class=3D"i=
m HOEnZb"><br>
<br>
mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">
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