Received: from mail-ve0-f187.google.com ([209.85.128.187]:45873) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WBQav-0006oz-2c for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 07:10:36 -0800 Received: by mail-ve0-f187.google.com with SMTP id oz11sf501148veb.4 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 07:10:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4Saqq/5/9gjT4su7Nt99QKeqjLNAEtsN8nmpSQB4ENk=; b=QaSJNsnOQDSdoxMOf79iFaW66ua4o/WsSEox7uLsVUWbOfDkbdQMgBNWMuSGbcadWz 4z8x6dAtk6LU3VSC8e78tmNZDepVgul9DIEx/sIyB1aln/AJdc8t5nnt1A+1FFX2wsok 5oB7II30/52iGj6FdPksKSRdAhQ+kPEc2gyEgGd5JHi0JFNzm2th+3b+FTOrPCNFVPDs BwE+GJdeX9/Q9bohvHZ5fhr0cOT466Nb1ghn9MtrYm8wYs0JYhaTlkmbqZVNkgCUrBzI fJpJYcP8NLlCh75QkjfCjF0tm3XVu+2wIj9Uyxxb7vmjew5iA5sc5dQUhtzBMcmsKxKp d1Hg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4Saqq/5/9gjT4su7Nt99QKeqjLNAEtsN8nmpSQB4ENk=; b=wekbYydTJRXsMTxM7X5tzfyIauz6zo6hl9pGkHyF/ZYLkwjVUJN8FhGj+5ANhpkz1X 5YAD+6WZ7jPuJAnCn+yIT1aowpNQBWJzwQm2e1/TXZEGPDyaQAqCzG6JdG+0xyxVZh/H VD8Iu0pBgt4E+bIfRG29EPMyyszXd87JezoqYze7+1j/ScwYBBB6ySk4ZlBRQUjUqiTt ZixzCH4s1Sn5dMYTTZQfbbO8KaJHdoHvcs6DFhk+ooi7iH+JmBH+gNBhrQBPNGoHSNrN MQnoDDM3a1EfhbQsovcplNMiUBKsSH0BUm5EQdm4zxo4PxwSuqc334MuaFdQbCpf3rur yrIg== X-Received: by 10.182.17.67 with SMTP id m3mr74156obd.23.1391699418350; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 07:10:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.130.201 with SMTP id og9ls257109obb.18.gmail; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 07:10:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.113.194 with SMTP id ja2mr26177obb.31.1391699417662; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 07:10:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 07:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: la xirsoi To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <52bb0f46-e3b3-488a-a3b1-50e4da5ea4ec@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <0f438513-25ad-4873-993a-ea57be6607de@googlegroups.com> <01D744F7-A809-4684-9DE7-D471569D1803@yahoo.com> <1391624552.48806.YahooMailNeo@web181102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Scientific Method MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: chevalieradam2@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_80_7107941.1391699417056" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_80_7107941.1391699417056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By that logic, a single cup of water from a larger pool isn't water because= =20 water is all water. A single study is still science (or rather, scientific, if we're going to= =20 be grammatically correct). I don't understand why this needs to be more complicated than {sketadji},= =20 the process of science. On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:08:49 PM UTC-6, stevo wrote: > > A single study, regardless of how many times it's repeated, isn't=20 > 'science'. It's just one of the iterations of the implied algorithm of th= e=20 > definition. Science never stops.=20 > > stevo > > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michael Turniansky > > wrote: > >> I was considering adding the repetition factor, but, then, I thought,= =20 >> plenty of studies are only done once (by a given team), to disprove/add= =20 >> credence to a theory, and never repeated with different variations. >> --gejyspa >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:38 PM, MorphemeAddict >> > wrote: >> >>> I didn't see your definition (or just didn't understand it). There's=20 >>> nothing in your definition about feedback or repetition of the steps. I= t=20 >>> doesn't happen just once.=20 >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Michael Turniansky >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I thought I prety much defined it: >>>> smadi jo'u cipyzu'e jo'u zgana terske >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, John E Clifford >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> And mine that this whole discussion is irrelevant: we don't need to= =20 >>>>> say what the scientific method is to have a word for it.=20 >>>>> >>>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict > >>>>> *To:* loj...@googlegroups.com =20 >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:49 AM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Scientific Method >>>>> =20 >>>>> My point was that there are better sources available to answer the=20 >>>>> question than me.=20 >>>>> >>>>> stevo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:01 PM, John E. Clifford >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, what they claim to try to do. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 17:39, MorphemeAddict >=20 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That's what Google and Wikipedia et al. are good for.=20 >>>>> >>>>> stevo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis < >>>>> felipe...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4 February 2014 18:19, MorphemeAddict >>>>> > wrote:=20 >>>>> >>>>> The scientific method is much broader than just analysis or study.=20 >>>>> What might a full description or definition of scientific method be i= n=20 >>>>> Lojban?=20 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What might a full description be in English? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> mu'o >>>>> mi'e .asiz. >>>>> --=20 >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d=20 >>>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --=20 >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d=20 >>>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> --=20 >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d=20 >>>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --=20 >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d=20 >>>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --=20 >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d=20 >>>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> >>>> --=20 >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= =20 >>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> --=20 >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= =20 >>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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By that logic, a single cup of water from a larger pool is= n't water because water is all water.
A single study is still science (= or rather, scientific, if we're going to be grammatically correct).

I don't understand why this needs to be more complicated = than {sketadji}, the process of science.

On Wednesday, February 5, 2= 014 4:08:49 PM UTC-6, stevo wrote:
A s= ingle study, regardless of how many times it's repeated, isn't 'science'. I= t's just one of the iterations of the implied algorithm of the definition. = Science never stops. 

stevo


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturn...@gmail.com> wrote:=
  I was considering adding the repetition factor, but= , then, I thought, plenty of studies are only done once (by a given team), = to disprove/add credence to a theory, and never repeated with different var= iations.
           --gejyspa


<= /div>


On Wed, = Feb 5, 2014 at 3:38 PM, MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't see your definition (or just didn't understa= nd it). There's nothing in your definition about feedback or repetition of = the steps. It doesn't happen just once. 

stevo


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturn...@gmail.com> wrote:=
  I thought I prety much defined it:
smadi jo'u cipyzu'e jo= 'u zgana terske


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, John E Clifford <kali9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
And mine that this whole discussion is irrelevant: we d= on't need to say what the scientific method is to have a word for it. =

From: MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com>
To: loj...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban= ] Scientific Method

My= point was that there are better sources available to answer the question t= han me. 

stevo


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:01 PM, John E. Clifford <kal= i9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, what they claim to try to do.


Se= nt from my iPad

On Feb 4, 2014, at 17:39, MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's what Google and Wikipedia et al. are good for. 

stevo

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis <fel= ipe...@gmail.com> wrote:



On 4 February 2014 18:= 19, MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
The scientific method is= much broader than just analysis or study. 
What might a full description or definition o= f scientific method be in Lojban? 


What might a full description be in English?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.
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