Received: from mail-pa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.220.64]:60708) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WBSGn-0007Sj-UF for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:57:54 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id kp14sf550707pab.9 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:57:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YQQ9Gs2k+7CE+jcY7Jd4gEwDCRhXGbZmzT5EIpPVBeo=; b=a3kpTWv2MIAtNVo66Fh/mEjrRETdSRVd6ngs7n8zSd/kTXLCNCPaVB301ehXAVbsZD ruiIjj+yDrkcqiW4eDcdYYbezP2x0uB3EigOMBVv0LyrQzgLObYBH967YwK90rUxN7wm +LWmanXSqB0Nyac3sh18n/qWZaVCX/JA3vge7tVRp0c7ZEzu9gE6tLLjhiCRurkQevlm 8zAOo7KA7aC2gBfH+k95CGoT8hZ9XyFAMFMC8iDKqd4FDazx+hvoTgC7JerMiGsTJ1+1 5xqC1mE4VjTvjCcCvJZ+1iGReDGVgMOXnqQBJSKENbidi/ZsQg/dYCuDUxPv8BWWrubO WEPw== X-Received: by 10.140.49.175 with SMTP id q44mr22983qga.39.1391705851331; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:57:31 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.21.8 with SMTP id 8ls667770qgk.51.gmail; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:57:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.121.195 with SMTP id r43mr3176691yhh.44.1391705850760; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x235.google.com (mail-qc0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j9si327843qch.1.2014.02.06.08.57.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::235; Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e9so3565334qcy.26 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:57:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.87.193 with SMTP id x1mr14378044qal.70.1391705848059; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.3.3 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:57:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52bb0f46-e3b3-488a-a3b1-50e4da5ea4ec@googlegroups.com> References: <0f438513-25ad-4873-993a-ea57be6607de@googlegroups.com> <01D744F7-A809-4684-9DE7-D471569D1803@yahoo.com> <1391624552.48806.YahooMailNeo@web181102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <52bb0f46-e3b3-488a-a3b1-50e4da5ea4ec@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 11:57:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Scientific Method From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3e246b49e0804f1bfc466 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c3e246b49e0804f1bfc466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the main objection to using saske at the root was because the definition specifically doesn't limit it to capital S science (which, if we could, doesn't even NEED the "tadji" part, because that is simply "te saske"). saske is open-ended enough to include thinks like palm reading, for example. --gejyspa On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM, la xirsoi wrote= : > By that logic, a single cup of water from a larger pool isn't water > because water is all water. > A single study is still science (or rather, scientific, if we're going to > be grammatically correct). > > I don't understand why this needs to be more complicated than {sketadji}, > the process of science. > > > On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:08:49 PM UTC-6, stevo wrote: > >> A single study, regardless of how many times it's repeated, isn't >> 'science'. It's just one of the iterations of the implied algorithm of t= he >> definition. Science never stops. >> >> stevo >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michael Turniansky w= rote: >> >>> I was considering adding the repetition factor, but, then, I thought, >>> plenty of studies are only done once (by a given team), to disprove/add >>> credence to a theory, and never repeated with different variations. >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:38 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote= : >>> >>>> I didn't see your definition (or just didn't understand it). There's >>>> nothing in your definition about feedback or repetition of the steps. = It >>>> doesn't happen just once. >>>> >>>> stevo >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: >>>> >>>>> I thought I prety much defined it: >>>>> smadi jo'u cipyzu'e jo'u zgana terske >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, John E Clifford w= rote: >>>>> >>>>>> And mine that this whole discussion is irrelevant: we don't need to >>>>>> say what the scientific method is to have a word for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict >>>>>> *To:* loj...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:49 AM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Scientific Method >>>>>> >>>>>> My point was that there are better sources available to answer the >>>>>> question than me. >>>>>> >>>>>> stevo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:01 PM, John E. Clifford >>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, what they claim to try to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 17:39, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what Google and Wikipedia et al. are good for. >>>>>> >>>>>> stevo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis < >>>>>> felipe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4 February 2014 18:19, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The scientific method is much broader than just analysis or study. >>>>>> What might a full description or definition of scientific method be >>>>>> in Lojban? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What might a full description be in English? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> mu'o >>>>>> mi'e .asiz. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d >>>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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=C2=A0 I think the main objection to using saske at the ro= ot was because the definition specifically doesn't limit it to capital = S science (which, if we could, doesn't even NEED the "tadji" = part, because that is simply "te saske"). =C2=A0saske is open-end= ed enough to include thinks like palm reading, for example.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa

<= /div>


On= Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM, la xirsoi <chevalieradam2@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
By that logic, a single cup= of water from a larger pool isn't water because water is all water. A single study is still science (or rather, scientific, if we're going = to be grammatically correct).

I don't understa= nd why this needs to be more complicated than {sketadji}, the process of sc= ience.


On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:08:49 PM UTC-6, stevo wrote:
=
=
A single study, regardless of how many times it's repeated, isn't &= #39;science'. It's just one of the iterations of the implied algori= thm of the definition. Science never stops.=C2=A0

stevo


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturn...@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 I was considering adding the repetition factor, but= , then, I thought, plenty of studies are only done once (by a given team), = to disprove/add credence to a theory, and never repeated with different var= iations.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa


<= /div>


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:38 PM, MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't see your definit= ion (or just didn't understand it). There's nothing in your definit= ion about feedback or repetition of the steps. It doesn't happen just o= nce.=C2=A0

stevo


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturn...@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 I thought I prety much defined it:
smadi jo'u cipyzu&= #39;e jo'u zgana terske


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, John E Clifford <ka= li9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
And mine that this whole discussion i= s irrelevant: we don't need to say what the scientific method is to hav= e a word for it.=C2=A0

From: MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gma= il.com>
To: loj...@googlegroups.= com
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban= ] Scientific Method

My point was that there are better sources availabl= e to answer the question than me.=C2=A0

stevo<= /div>


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at= 10:01 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9= ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, what they claim to try to = do.


Sent from my iPad

On Feb 4, 2014, at 17:39, MorphemeAddict <l= yt...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's what Google and Wikipedia et al. are good for.=C2=A0

stevo


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7al= ves Assis <felipe...@gmail.com= > wrote:



On 4= February 2014 18:19, MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
The scientific m= ethod is much broader than just analysis or study.=C2=A0
What might a full description= or definition of scientific method be in Lojban?=C2=A0

=

What might a full description be in English?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.
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