Received: from mail-we0-f185.google.com ([74.125.82.185]:56409) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WBXCg-0000Dl-LM for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:14:05 -0800 Received: by mail-we0-f185.google.com with SMTP id t60sf160064wes.12 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:13:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=u74nvWTM79XBtBSV7wdDk6eU7pUCq+uF5bhc0EyIIcA=; b=dvFD+cgNmAWQ4vLRIbViBhZhxLDAfYmH9RjEqhmQgNXcXBcWbzgfneJs1+pWPk2twL uklkKmQZbw3rRgE4qXb8HsUGUi2+qIx3PcyEIHTRv1KuyG7GGOBYRVhf183+VCc+tvHF KvlAesbjefKseVSB6Qy05GmhtDb+jhc22hUHprxS7BDe4qoI8CTyUTptA0PUbZWucnjA FuZT33aUZq8u6/TUSehfaSdlQcuY1dr8HGLhPak8DFN2hBO2E1zJR6CSHkqe0Mh6KX2X i5TR5Sig1Zo5/Rz4cOJnCwPPrjhbMQpEHCYkBTffvDafcW5lyCpN2u2+rneNuf5Ah1Bi 1yEA== X-Received: by 10.180.39.165 with SMTP id q5mr13944wik.8.1391724823610; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:13:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.181.13.236 with SMTP id fb12ls85721wid.21.canary; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:13:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.72.75 with SMTP id b11mr848949wiv.3.1391724823105; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13si847275eer.0.2014.02.06.14.13.43 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.20; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([93.220.108.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MNIi1-1W9cK734fp-006sWs for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 23:13:42 +0100 Message-ID: <52F40916.7010300@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 23:13:42 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Hole References: In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:9l4AUvgf4871wQbhUExA8TYZdnphxR4JP67abQ2JHQVLyrxKlog FbBjQFztYkNbWNOjlMkF0Lk1VUlSJKygTm1UwZGz0VqZcU5me5sk9+qotbGQcwRaE0L5wOR MRW7IFJAxyabIIxAb17d9oadrbKv1m8PxyV8Eh3TfGoYCFBp71lFq7EWSypYNQG3TSar56O ENaGy+HxDQ5vVuZYycQ2g== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .asiz. cu cusku di'e > How do you translate "hole" in the sense of an opening in a solid, as in > "there is a hole in my bucket!"? I've used {kunti}. The area that constitutes the hole is {kunti lo }. Another option would be {kutca'u} "empty area". > There is {kevna}, but it is clearly defined to mean a cavity, not a passage. Right, {kevna} does not work. > selpa'i has used {nonselsfe}. I guess a sphere is a nonselsfe. But a sphere has a surface. (4*pi*r^2) {nonselsfe} is supposed to describe something that has no surface. I'm not sure what such a thing could be, other than a hole. But I might be missing something. > I use > {korbi} for surfaces in general, but {nonselkoi} would be something > unbounded, or an open set in topology. ue, I use {korbi} to talk about edges. :) > I have used {canko} in the past, but it needs the right context. How > would I differentiate a hole in a wall or ship from a window? I'm not sure about {canko}'s intended semantic range. {canko} sounds like a euphemism for "hole". There is also {vorme}, which is quite similar. It almost seems like {canko} is to {vorme} what {litru} is to {klama}. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.