Received: from mail-yh0-f59.google.com ([209.85.213.59]:36283) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WBvmL-000813-I7 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:28:22 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f59.google.com with SMTP id f10sf981994yha.14 for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:28:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=K3SMEjax+jpwk3G8WgoYZBkZAQfJSyeh9la5ObcsdqQ=; b=T1vopZtk+TmKg7K4WzO9ofkWLmm9E8YvL7MqZt6cZTkCl/Vb2CLIqXp4cME12PGP7S yDw6ePtQZKA9lOF53lYkPrCuloCguy+Zrs4pP/x30j3ci99XJguM/k2lIYBH9BUl9n1g NjWc9+nk7LlfbRrez8tKYPzuBlMsSsKzSTqHCKakt1cZzD0CvK/XmaDbiDOQNJCkf2Gg orWNEA8EUxl3Umt2ZWClvag/qunkuJSSUwam96i5v/1agXMBDz26I0ww4auNm3wFo8Cq +YA3BbGpbU0DmY+mh2R7iUlsYmiiSsDVvPQ83nc3C6qTOhGfBwwrSjcHH7Nmygnw89Ts +LTw== X-Received: by 10.140.101.242 with SMTP id u105mr368207qge.0.1391819291094; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:28:11 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.91.110 with SMTP id y101ls1352048qgd.0.gmail; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:28:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.182.135 with SMTP id ee7mr5716160vec.15.1391819290787; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-x22e.google.com (mail-vb0-x22e.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c02::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ys4si1555895vdc.2.2014.02.07.16.28.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c02::22e; Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id o19so3145338vbm.5 for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:28:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.58.202 with SMTP id i10mr12798257vch.23.1391819290680; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.8.195 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:28:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <03555bbd-cc44-426f-94ee-65d557f2d301@googlegroups.com> References: <52F26B9E.2090001@gmx.de> <5e023b9a-515c-432b-a389-8f9af4766b51@googlegroups.com> <52F29ED8.1050607@gmx.de> <372dd8f1-1920-4afa-8d11-aa55696982a0@googlegroups.com> <03555bbd-cc44-426f-94ee-65d557f2d301@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 22:28:10 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Individuals and xorlo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2d70e69a3c004f1da2e54 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c2d70e69a3c004f1da2e54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:03 PM, guskant wrote: > > > My problem is, for example, how {lo no broda} can be meaningful if {lo > broda} implies {su'o da poi ke'a broda}. > To solve this problem, I need axioms for "plural constant". > > "lo no broda" is not very meaningful, except perhaps as a joke or if you want to be whimsical or paradoxical. BTW, "lo broda cu brode" does not imply "su'o da poi broda cu brode", as you already pointed out, but it does imply "su'oi da poi broda cu brode". In other words "students are surrounding the building" does not necessarily imply that at least one student is surrounding the building, but it does imply that some student or students are surrounding the building. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a11c2d70e69a3c004f1da2e54 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:03 PM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com= > wrote:


My = problem is, for example, how {lo no broda} can be meaningful if {lo broda} = implies {su'o da poi ke'a broda}.=A0
To = solve this problem, I need axioms for "plural constant".


"lo no broda" is= not very meaningful, except perhaps as a joke or if you want to be whimsic= al or paradoxical.=A0

BTW, "lo broda cu brode= " does not imply "su'o da poi broda cu brode", as you al= ready pointed out, but it does imply "su'oi da poi broda cu brode&= quot;. In other words "students are surrounding the building" doe= s not necessarily imply that at least one student is surrounding the buildi= ng, but it does imply that some student or students are surrounding the bui= lding.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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