Received: from mail-pa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.220.64]:57698) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WCAiN-0004rZ-A2 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:25:20 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id kp14sf1174406pab.29 for ; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:25:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qwy3nfTH/a26Mtv1QB4bgk5FGR35w+t5w40Y781dmRA=; b=MhulyubYEb7GDx/oZRKQEvlm/+B+CP76QnOoqi1iyUwOc6P5vqURAUY4Qwe7J9/QX4 rqnDLc33as7eHhY+YLoMYVsUzPYaAZZK3WKmBjaIzsSmvrgHrUriCVK0Nc0fmGJHQZKl GFwrcwzPDu6rn93ar9cWOVzhvwV7KDmxj1yDcUCd+mii2ydFjFbnCI/5vwmlDS9qGo+h 5ftKKbPt+SO8dD9s0jayY7XNQPD1LH4GX1ud/HE0J+iggV/f5PtZPMjnI9zG0uqZZjJZ A/IKjcMzzJJ+t71e3oUctwoW6BR+DHwAmAAta4c/cvSIg0KtxCKpo05SOfMcgNzoQgyt 81qA== X-Received: by 10.140.36.37 with SMTP id o34mr2690qgo.10.1391876705188; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:25:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.22.106 with SMTP id 97ls1517557qgm.29.gmail; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:25:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.230.72 with SMTP id sw8mr6188579vec.5.1391876704753; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j9si2480939qch.1.2014.02.08.08.25.04 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.22; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([84.175.66.34]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MZfZi-1Vv2zx2VzS-00LWBM for ; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 17:25:03 +0100 Message-ID: <52F65A5C.90605@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 17:25:00 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Individuals and xorlo References: <52F26B9E.2090001@gmx.de> <5e023b9a-515c-432b-a389-8f9af4766b51@googlegroups.com> <52F29ED8.1050607@gmx.de> <372dd8f1-1920-4afa-8d11-aa55696982a0@googlegroups.com> <03555bbd-cc44-426f-94ee-65d557f2d301@googlegroups.com> <592497c0-5db5-420e-867f-8df1663eca27@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <592497c0-5db5-420e-867f-8df1663eca27@googlegroups.com> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:QQeXWdMkK35CN2GZ2VEG8RvFHCMTEij9pRx9F3PNWTnFGrF0VPg 8r5mxxZr7Hq6TyrYrxMrbw+C+iHKVX9AR1ZT/XtzARLT9CybegecNrp2NkDAwOFu3k4YhsU Uqx4TSDVylKOK9HJhVwbru2IpDrX6PyGCfFeoineWxA6IGtUUfOb70A3P68mJgeLFv5uExC MpioaKHKE9zqAWKq1+6Vw== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .guskant. cu cusku di'e > Moreover, calling something in a domain of plural variable "one or more > individuals" is misleading for me. > The term for "something in a domain of plural variable" should be first > given; after that "individual" is defined using it. The concept > "individual" is only a special case of "something in a domain of plural > variable" as defined above. What would be another case of SDPV that is not an individual? I can't really make sense of your argument, because for me there are only individuals and nothing else (DPV or not). > Something that is broda is not always "one or more individuals" defined > above: when a universe of discourse is given, there is no need that {lo > broda} in the universe of discourse is finally separated into individual > pieces that are members of the universe of discourse. Please give an example where that does not happen. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.