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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 16:07:31 -0200
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Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] {ny poi cy ke'a falcru}
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> When I say {ti poi toldi}, I am making it clear what I am pointing to,
> while when I say {ti noi toldi}, I expect you to understand what I am
> pointing to, and I am giving the information that it is a butterfly. In t=
he
> latter case, I might be presuming, for example, that you don't know that
> the colourful thing I am pointing at is in fact a butterfly. In the forme=
r,
> the information in the relative clause has a clear purpose: it is there t=
o
> clarify the reference.
>

Good point. That's why I've always been uneasy with "ti poi toldi" as
opposed to "lo vi toldi".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">f=
elipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>When I say {ti poi toldi}, I=
 am making it clear what I am pointing to, while when I say {ti noi toldi},=
 I expect you to understand what I am pointing to, and I am giving the info=
rmation that it is a butterfly. In the latter case, I might be presuming, f=
or example, that you don&#39;t know that the colourful thing I am pointing =
at is in fact a butterfly. In the former, the information in the relative c=
lause has a clear purpose: it is there to clarify the reference.<br>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Good point. That&#=
39;s why I&#39;ve always been uneasy with &quot;ti poi toldi&quot; as oppos=
ed to &quot;lo vi toldi&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e x=
orxes</div>
<div><br></div></div></div></div>

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