Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 14:37:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Murdoc <kolzene@gmail.com>
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Ok, maybe we're overthinking this. I've been thinking about it, researching 
the history of science and the scientific method, and it occurred to me, if 
I recall correctly, that tanru have broadly encompassing definitions (e.g. 
saske tadji = any kind of method used to get lore/science), but lujvo only 
refer to one specific one, which I assume to be either the most common, or 
just arbitrary. If that is the case, then if we assign a word to be defined 
as the "the scientific method", possibly expanded to include a definition 
from a dictionary or something, then that's what it is, so we can pick 
whatever we want. Like was already said, if more than one is possible, let 
common usage decide. After all, "science" comes from "scientia" which is 
just "knowledge", so the "scientific method" is simply a "method of 
knowledge". It is certainly not the only one, but the term does refer to 
one specific method, because it was arbitrarily defined as so, and accepted 
by common usage.

So unless I am corrected, I'm thinking that what I'd go for here is 
something that follows that tradition: "method of knowledge". My first try 
at that came up with "selju'otadji", but I think "tersaske" is easier to 
say, and is close enough. I can go enter that into jbovlaste if I'm not 
corrected on anything.


On Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:25:17 AM UTC-7, Murdoc wrote:
>
> I tried asking about this in lojban Beginners first in case it has already 
> been settled, but apparently not. I tried searching this group, and while 
> one thread came close, it didn't answer my question.
>
> So my question is this: How do we say "the scientific method" in lojban? 
> As in: "I used science (as opposed to some other form of epistemology) to 
> (e.g. determine this conclusion/whatever)." "saske" obviously doesn't cut 
> it. I'm posting this here hoping others can come up with a solution. Aside 
> from the fact I'd like to have this word to use, it just seems odd to me 
> that the "logical language" would leave science out in the cold like this. 
> Can anyone help?
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><p>Ok, maybe we're overthinking this. I've been thinking a=
bout it, researching the history of science and the scientific method, and =
it occurred to me, if I recall correctly, that tanru have broadly encompass=
ing definitions (e.g. saske tadji =3D any kind of method used to get lore/s=
cience), but lujvo only refer to one specific one, which I assume to be eit=
her the most common, or just arbitrary. If that is the case, then if we ass=
ign a word to be defined as the "the scientific method", possibly expanded =
to include a definition from a dictionary or something, then that's what it=
 is, so we can pick whatever we want. Like was already said, if more than o=
ne is possible, let common usage decide. After all, "science" comes from "s=
cientia" which is just "knowledge", so the "scientific method" is simply a =
"method of knowledge". It is certainly not the only one, but the term does =
refer to one specific method, because it was arbitrarily defined as so, and=
 accepted by common usage.</p><p>So unless I am corrected, I'm thinking tha=
t what I'd go for here is something that follows that tradition: "method of=
 knowledge". My first try at that came up with "selju'otadji", but I think =
"tersaske" is easier to say, and is close enough. I can go enter that into =
jbovlaste if I'm not corrected on anything.</p><p><br></p>On Thursday, Janu=
ary 16, 2014 9:25:17 AM UTC-7, Murdoc wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;paddin=
g-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I tried asking about this in lojban Beg=
inners first in case it has already been settled, but apparently not. I tri=
ed searching this group, and while one thread came close, it didn't answer =
my question.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So my question is this: How do we=
 say "the scientific method" in lojban? As in: "I used science (as opposed =
to some other form of epistemology) to (e.g. determine this conclusion/what=
ever)." "saske" obviously doesn't cut it. I'm posting this here hoping othe=
rs can come up with a solution. Aside from the fact I'd like to have this w=
ord to use, it just seems odd to me that the "logical language" would leave=
 science out in the cold like this. Can anyone help?</div></div></blockquot=
e></div>

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