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On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 14 February 2014 17:38, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrot=
e
>
>   (I know the arguments against this interpretation, but just throwing it
>> out there).
>>
>> The idea is new to me. If someone could quickly sketch or point the
> arguments, I would be grateful.
>

Compare how to say with one interpretation what you can say with the other.
So:

(1) I run for two hours.
1A mi bajra ze'a lo cacra be li re
1B mi bajra ze'e lo cacra be li re

(2) I run for a small/medium/large fraction of the two hours.
2A mi bajra ze'a pi so'u/so'o/so'i lo cacra be li re
2B mi bajra ze'i/ze'a/ze'u lo cacra be li re

(3) I run for a mere/the longest/a neverending two hours.
3A mi bajra ze'i/ze'u/ze'e lo cacra be li re
3B mi bajra ze'e lo tordu/clani/cimni cacra be li re

So basically for ZEhA you can get by with either system. (1) is the only
one that really needs to be covered, the rest are frills.

(4) I woke up two hours before you.
4A mi cikybi'o pu tu'a do za lo cacra be li re
4B ???

(5) I woke up two hours ago.
5A mi cikybi'o pu za lo cacra be li re
5B ???

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">f=
elipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"">On 14 February 2014 17:38, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturnia=
nsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote</div><div><br></div><div class=3D""><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div>=A0 (I know the arguments against this int=
erpretation, but just throwing it out there).</div>
<div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><div>The idea is new to me. If some=
one could quickly sketch or point the arguments, I would be grateful.<br></=
div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Compare how to say w=
ith one interpretation what you can say with the other. So:</div>
<div><br></div><div>(1) I run for two hours.</div><div>1A mi bajra ze&#39;a=
 lo cacra be li re</div><div>1B mi bajra ze&#39;e lo cacra be li re</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>(2) I run for a small/medium/large fraction of the two ho=
urs.</div>
<div>2A mi bajra ze&#39;a pi so&#39;u/so&#39;o/so&#39;i lo cacra be li re</=
div><div>2B mi bajra ze&#39;i/ze&#39;a/ze&#39;u lo cacra be li re</div><div=
><br></div><div>(3) I run for a mere/the longest/a neverending two hours.</=
div>
<div>3A mi bajra ze&#39;i/ze&#39;u/ze&#39;e lo cacra be li re</div><div>3B =
mi bajra ze&#39;e lo tordu/clani/cimni cacra be li re</div><div><br></div><=
div>So basically for ZEhA you can get by with either system. (1) is the onl=
y one that really needs to be covered, the rest are frills.</div>
<div><br></div><div>(4) I woke up two hours before you.</div><div>4A mi cik=
ybi&#39;o pu tu&#39;a do za lo cacra be li re=A0</div><div>4B ???</div><div=
><br></div><div>(5) I woke up two hours ago.</div><div>5A mi cikybi&#39;o p=
u za lo cacra be li re</div>
<div>5B ???</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br=
></div></div></div></div>

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