Received: from mail-vc0-f184.google.com ([209.85.220.184]:36179) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WFRLx-0007rB-8z for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:47:38 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f184.google.com with SMTP id hu8sf4162092vcb.1 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:47:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YSeFpyKPmQOSZsmdhQkFNfEjF7tfGvYNPMDspkHa3Lc=; b=Y25PQuFoCMlGiGts6pVzDXoi/MIbL1vA10dZImXn9VYT4V5Bv4Jw4I0uE939YZXy4p oYvmxlA0oB6otM/IketkgbSNyRLqrcy/47Zzak9sdUmBD7Jz8662PVPTSqRmD4ln5UYw CfAHVfy6HvOAdWiDqH1LJSvJHfQEYN4yl4nfaJQHpuYuda1Txy0WFi/mgpkcsUFuFP9d HT6BXhxyHeRY3qQyLUYbP/EOfyxxqaiIIVFySWJCJWRBr9OfhB9XGw8vHv+W3HpxfpH/ i0/E3BMLr+c4OEWIqIfu0pORBsxjbBwEVZctQcHp/rLM8ZrDEp9pE4pv+a0O2bqQl+YM /2rw== X-Received: by 10.140.26.243 with SMTP id 106mr27403qgv.31.1392655646829; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:47:26 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.41.202 with SMTP id z68ls1013987qgz.85.gmail; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:47:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.128.243 with SMTP id f79mr8737341yhi.27.1392655646491; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yh0-x236.google.com (mail-yh0-x236.google.com [2607:f8b0:4002:c01::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7si2127836yhj.3.2014.02.17.08.47.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c01::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c01::236; Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id z6so14136123yhz.41 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:47:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.124.244 with SMTP id x80mr65827yhh.151.1392655645381; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.96.197 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:47:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:47:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "three times as big" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c01::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303a331b099ba704f29ce926 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf303a331b099ba704f29ce926 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about "lo marce cu selca'u [pa'a/tai/lo canlu be] paki'o smacu"? --gejyspa On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis < felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote: > This sentence from oz made me think: > {lo m=C3=A0rce cu br=C3=A0mau ro lo sm=C3=A0cu poi pu'o l=C3=A0cpu my ku'= o fo lo p=C3=AClji be li > ki'o} > > It is fine as it is, but I guess the intended meaning is "the vehicle was > a thousand times bigger than each rat", while it means something like "10= 01 > times bigger", since zmadu4 is the difference. > > This is irrelevant for big inexact numbers, but what if I wanted to say, > e.g., "three times bigger"? Would I have to say {bramau fo lo pilji be li > re}? What about "three times smaller"? Should I use logarithms? > > For round numbers, we have gismu like {kilto}, so we can say, e.g. > {lo marce cu braki'o ro lo smacu}. What about other numbers? Can we devis= e > a lujvo schema? > > mu'o > mi'e .asiz. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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=C2=A0 How about "lo marce cu selca'u [pa'a/t= ai/lo canlu be] paki'o smacu"?

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On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Felipe Gon= =C3=A7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
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This sentence from oz made me think:
{lo m=C3=A0rc= e cu br=C3=A0mau ro lo sm=C3=A0cu poi pu'o l=C3=A0cpu my ku'o fo lo= p=C3=AClji be li ki'o}

It is fine as it is, but I guess the int= ended meaning is "the vehicle was a thousand times bigger than each ra= t", while it means something like "1001 times bigger", since= zmadu4 is the difference.

This is irrelevant for big inexact numbers, but what if I wa= nted to say, e.g., "three times bigger"? Would I have to say {bra= mau fo lo pilji be li re}? What about "three times smaller"? Shou= ld I use logarithms?

For round numbers, we have gismu like {kilto}, so we can say= , e.g.
{lo marce cu braki'o ro lo smacu}. What about othe= r numbers? Can we devise a lujvo schema?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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