Received: from mail-yh0-f64.google.com ([209.85.213.64]:47209) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WFRQ5-0007sS-Vj for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:52:00 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f64.google.com with SMTP id a41sf4315383yho.19 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VRlC8pzxGXfyrnd2CHXhMlpiUw0U2uJojwDug1rNusM=; b=aeWK7/3cqRzYN5DGVYihamaiOcylyA4gc3cT50nLIBX/ISd1uaYdLV3AGJidC0eZ5S Zb45z2V3mbQt75u3uSQF0G43JHEvmW/DfzZfUZwEFf9gbj/wgIFCOBcYvhK6msp4bioE IdzqA7gU3aw+C8rbBamYwwmLHU7PU2BzXN9p8ohoTLfSLiHhU5Ofy23aapd1myVFAfgi OQE4NJJBSlXgn1aXLEHJS3W74N6YnMMKoaLxcuZkEJ5NMHwDxJgTA5fKoOOPUAuJHTDz Ofe2dhxX3ip7mj1OJFBPI6/rlEXXuzRdW6qY7pBhC9yEA9LoYjbOsE9ETHO7cDQnkSi5 L9BA== X-Received: by 10.182.103.195 with SMTP id fy3mr206482obb.1.1392655903778; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.24.41 with SMTP id r9ls579923obf.32.gmail; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.118.194 with SMTP id ko2mr10951802obb.32.1392655903190; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x232.google.com (mail-qc0-x232.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ie10si334787qcb.2.2014.02.17.08.51.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::232; Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id m20so23872383qcx.37 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.26.71 with SMTP id d7mr3513972qac.89.1392655903075; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.80.72 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:51:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "three times as big" From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149c51065b2bc04f29cf8dc X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0149c51065b2bc04f29cf8dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's distributive, except for the {lo canlu be}, which is distributive in the {canlu} bridi. I think the whole point of this discussion is that this isn't a distributive phenomenon. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > How about "lo marce cu selca'u [pa'a/tai/lo canlu be] paki'o smacu"? > > --gejyspa > > > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis < > felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This sentence from oz made me think: >> {lo m=E0rce cu br=E0mau ro lo sm=E0cu poi pu'o l=E0cpu my ku'o fo lo p= =EClji be li >> ki'o} >> >> It is fine as it is, but I guess the intended meaning is "the vehicle wa= s >> a thousand times bigger than each rat", while it means something like "1= 001 >> times bigger", since zmadu4 is the difference. >> >> This is irrelevant for big inexact numbers, but what if I wanted to say, >> e.g., "three times bigger"? Would I have to say {bramau fo lo pilji be l= i >> re}? What about "three times smaller"? Should I use logarithms? >> >> For round numbers, we have gismu like {kilto}, so we can say, e.g. >> {lo marce cu braki'o ro lo smacu}. What about other numbers? 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That's distributive, except for the {lo canlu be}, whi= ch is distributive in the {canlu} bridi. I think the whole point of this di= scussion is that this isn't a distributive phenomenon.

mi'e = la latro'a mu'o


On Mon,= Feb 17, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 How about "lo marc= e cu selca'u [pa'a/tai/lo canlu be] paki'o smacu"?
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


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On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Felipe Gon= =E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
This sentence from oz made me think:
{lo m=E0rce c= u br=E0mau ro lo sm=E0cu poi pu'o l=E0cpu my ku'o fo lo p=EClji be = li ki'o}

It is fine as it is, but I guess the intended meaning i= s "the vehicle was a thousand times bigger than each rat", while = it means something like "1001 times bigger", since zmadu4 is the = difference.

This is irrelevant for big inexact numbers, but what if I wa= nted to say, e.g., "three times bigger"? Would I have to say {bra= mau fo lo pilji be li re}? What about "three times smaller"? Shou= ld I use logarithms?

For round numbers, we have gismu like {kilto}, so we can say= , e.g.
{lo marce cu braki'o ro lo smacu}. What about othe= r numbers? Can we devise a lujvo schema?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.
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