Received: from mail-yk0-f183.google.com ([209.85.160.183]:55794) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WFRfT-0007wd-MZ for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:07:56 -0800 Received: by mail-yk0-f183.google.com with SMTP id 142sf9476832ykq.0 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:07:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2s96QfhfUhGlUxa7q/N61iwstFOUsoWFcNWy6ieC52s=; b=CuzmWBPjOq3qGszOSvapt7CG3f1kU5ielb9uK2s/DPIUZmsGdsGZ7G+/+Etq7oKtJw 8U8tkqaoZpqW1eMdGZEmu/IcMh87FfwVUwIihwC6jOi85O/vOZb+BrjXC2EbNDDC91CG +3yneSeHioEPt3C87SjJMiNbYVh6VJVqM2ytYrWBb8GJgZ9MvgPedm2fEhTVrrbEPsCF SnjGnol15hANdOFeXfQcX1PH3zrxsHtWntUa1iu1c447O5PegVGY44iyCXrTLVwwTg9x qiqnOqf+29asKCikTKVKdMaR1Iq1cyBxRBPcWGFVlvYXNdDaKhcBMKD0T4lsvG2Ml9hI rIiw== X-Received: by 10.182.213.41 with SMTP id np9mr209410obc.3.1392656857084; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:07:37 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.231.230 with SMTP id tj6ls523047obc.26.gmail; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:07:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.60.195 with SMTP id j3mr10682110obr.17.1392656856711; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yh0-x22d.google.com (mail-yh0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g70si2334440yha.7.2014.02.17.09.07.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22d; Received: by mail-yh0-f45.google.com with SMTP id i57so14085866yha.4 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:07:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.126.162 with SMTP id b22mr17890882yhi.72.1392656856564; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.96.197 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:07:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 12:07:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "three times as big" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301af6053ae57904f29d31ad X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 1 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I didn't think the point of the discussion is the distributiveness (no one else brought up that point), but about the fact that the definition of zmadu4 makes directly talking about "n time bigger" difficult. But if I am wrong about the nature of the discussion, won't simply using loi fix the distribution problem? 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But if I am wrong about the nature of the discussion, won't simply using loi fix the distribution problem? --gejyspa On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ian Johnson wrote= : > That's distributive, except for the {lo canlu be}, which is distributive > in the {canlu} bridi. I think the whole point of this discussion is that > this isn't a distributive phenomenon. > > mi'e la latro'a mu'o > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Michael Turniansky < > mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > >> How about "lo marce cu selca'u [pa'a/tai/lo canlu be] paki'o smacu"? >> >> --gejyspa >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis < >> felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This sentence from oz made me think: >>> {lo m=C3=A0rce cu br=C3=A0mau ro lo sm=C3=A0cu poi pu'o l=C3=A0cpu my k= u'o fo lo p=C3=AClji be li >>> ki'o} >>> >>> It is fine as it is, but I guess the intended meaning is "the vehicle >>> was a thousand times bigger than each rat", while it means something li= ke >>> "1001 times bigger", since zmadu4 is the difference. >>> >>> This is irrelevant for big inexact numbers, but what if I wanted to say= , >>> e.g., "three times bigger"? Would I have to say {bramau fo lo pilji be = li >>> re}? What about "three times smaller"? Should I use logarithms? >>> >>> For round numbers, we have gismu like {kilto}, so we can say, e.g. >>> {lo marce cu braki'o ro lo smacu}. What about other numbers? Can we >>> devise a lujvo schema? >>> >>> mu'o >>> mi'e .asiz. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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=C2=A0 I didn't think the point of the discussion is t= he distributiveness (no one else brought up that point), but about the fact= that the definition of zmadu4 makes directly talking about "n time bi= gger" difficult. =C2=A0But if I am wrong about the nature of the discu= ssion, won't simply using loi fix the distribution problem?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa



On = Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
That's distributive, ex= cept for the {lo canlu be}, which is distributive in the {canlu} bridi. I t= hink the whole point of this discussion is that this isn't a distributi= ve phenomenon.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Michael = Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 How about "lo m= arce cu selca'u [pa'a/tai/lo canlu be] paki'o smacu"?
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Felipe Gon= =C3=A7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
=
This sentence from oz made me think:
{lo m=C3=A0rc= e cu br=C3=A0mau ro lo sm=C3=A0cu poi pu'o l=C3=A0cpu my ku'o fo lo= p=C3=AClji be li ki'o}

It is fine as it is, but I guess the int= ended meaning is "the vehicle was a thousand times bigger than each ra= t", while it means something like "1001 times bigger", since= zmadu4 is the difference.

This is irrelevant for big inexact numbers, but what if I wa= nted to say, e.g., "three times bigger"? Would I have to say {bra= mau fo lo pilji be li re}? What about "three times smaller"? Shou= ld I use logarithms?

For round numbers, we have gismu like {kilto}, so we can say= , e.g.
{lo marce cu braki'o ro lo smacu}. What about othe= r numbers? Can we devise a lujvo schema?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.
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