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Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] {ze'a lo nu ko'a jmive}
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  The answer to those last two are the method that the CLL states, in 10.25=
:

(4) I woke up two hours before you.
4A mi cikybi'o pu tu'a do za lo cacra be li re
4B mi cikybi'o pu nu'i tu'a do la'u lo cacra be li re [nu'u]

(5) I woke up two hours ago.
5A mi cikybi'o pu za lo cacra be li re
5B mi cikybi'o pu za nu'i ti la'u lo cacra be li re [nu'u]


  (nonetheless, I do accept the meanings of 4A and 5A when their tcitysu'i
are explicitly time/distance sumti, despite the fact that I would think it
explicitly means "a medium time distance from the two hour long thing".
 Also, you veered a smidge away from ZEhA, as these are ZA...)

         --gejyspa


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com=
>wrote:

>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis <
> felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 14 February 2014 17:38, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wro=
te
>>
>>   (I know the arguments against this interpretation, but just throwing i=
t
>>> out there).
>>>
>>> The idea is new to me. If someone could quickly sketch or point the
>> arguments, I would be grateful.
>>
>
> Compare how to say with one interpretation what you can say with the
> other. So:
>
> (1) I run for two hours.
> 1A mi bajra ze'a lo cacra be li re
> 1B mi bajra ze'e lo cacra be li re
>
> (2) I run for a small/medium/large fraction of the two hours.
> 2A mi bajra ze'a pi so'u/so'o/so'i lo cacra be li re
> 2B mi bajra ze'i/ze'a/ze'u lo cacra be li re
>
> (3) I run for a mere/the longest/a neverending two hours.
> 3A mi bajra ze'i/ze'u/ze'e lo cacra be li re
> 3B mi bajra ze'e lo tordu/clani/cimni cacra be li re
>
> So basically for ZEhA you can get by with either system. (1) is the only
> one that really needs to be covered, the rest are frills.
>
> (4) I woke up two hours before you.
> 4A mi cikybi'o pu tu'a do za lo cacra be li re
> 4B ???
>
> (5) I woke up two hours ago.
> 5A mi cikybi'o pu za lo cacra be li re
> 5B ???
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 The answer to those last two are the method that th=
e CLL states, in 10.25:<div><br><div>(4) I woke up two hours before you.</d=
iv><div>4A mi cikybi&#39;o pu tu&#39;a do za lo cacra be li re=C2=A0</div><=
div>4B mi cikybi&#39;o pu nu&#39;i tu&#39;a do la&#39;u lo cacra be li re [=
nu&#39;u]</div>
<div><br></div><div>(5) I woke up two hours ago.</div><div>5A mi cikybi&#39=
;o pu za lo cacra be li re</div><div>5B mi cikybi&#39;o pu za nu&#39;i ti l=
a&#39;u lo cacra be li re [nu&#39;u]</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=C2=A0 (nonetheless, I do accept the m=
eanings of 4A and 5A when their tcitysu&#39;i are explicitly time/distance =
sumti, despite the fact that I would think it explicitly means &quot;a medi=
um time distance from the two hour long thing&quot;. =C2=A0Also, you veered=
 a smidge away from ZEhA, as these are ZA...)</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=
=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"">On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assi=
s <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">felipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"">
<div>On 14 February 2014 17:38, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D""><div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div>=C2=A0 (I know the arguments against this =
interpretation, but just throwing it out there).</div>
<div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><div>The idea is new to me. If some=
one could quickly sketch or point the arguments, I would be grateful.<br></=
div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Compare how to=
 say with one interpretation what you can say with the other. So:</div>

<div><br></div><div>(1) I run for two hours.</div><div>1A mi bajra ze&#39;a=
 lo cacra be li re</div><div>1B mi bajra ze&#39;e lo cacra be li re</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>(2) I run for a small/medium/large fraction of the two ho=
urs.</div>

<div>2A mi bajra ze&#39;a pi so&#39;u/so&#39;o/so&#39;i lo cacra be li re</=
div><div>2B mi bajra ze&#39;i/ze&#39;a/ze&#39;u lo cacra be li re</div><div=
><br></div><div>(3) I run for a mere/the longest/a neverending two hours.</=
div>

<div>3A mi bajra ze&#39;i/ze&#39;u/ze&#39;e lo cacra be li re</div><div>3B =
mi bajra ze&#39;e lo tordu/clani/cimni cacra be li re</div><div><br></div><=
div>So basically for ZEhA you can get by with either system. (1) is the onl=
y one that really needs to be covered, the rest are frills.</div>

<div><br></div><div>(4) I woke up two hours before you.</div><div>4A mi cik=
ybi&#39;o pu tu&#39;a do za lo cacra be li re=C2=A0</div><div>4B ???</div><=
div><br></div><div>(5) I woke up two hours ago.</div><div>5A mi cikybi&#39;=
o pu za lo cacra be li re</div>

<div>5B ???</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br=
></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5">

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