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Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating the Bible
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:14:19 -0400
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I think it's more important to dive in and start translating, rather than=
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argue about philosophy of translation. That said, here's a passage that=20
presents a problem:

This morning, the verse (related somehow to the sermon) was Judges 12:6. Th=
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preacher is a native speaker of Spanish, which does not have the phoneme /=
=CA=83/=20
(though Old Spanish did). Both the NVI and the RV have "shibolet/sibolet". =
The=20
LXX (Greek doesn't have /=CA=83/ either) says "=CE=9A=CE=B1=CE=B9 =CE=B5=CE=
=B9=CF=80=CE=B1=CE=BD =CE=B1=CF=85=CF=84=CF=89 =C2=AB=CE=95=CE=B9=CF=80=CE=
=BF=CE=BD =CE=B4=CE=B7 =CF=83=CF=84=CE=B1=CF=87=CF=85=CF=82=C2=BB =CE=BA=CE=
=B1=CE=B9=20
=CE=BF=CF=85 =CE=BA=CE=B1=CF=84=CE=B5=CF=85=CE=B8=CF=85=CE=BD=CE=B5 =CF=84=
=CE=BF=CF=85 =CE=BB=CE=B1=CE=BB=CE=B7=CF=83=CE=B1=CE=B9 =CE=BF=CF=85=CF=84=
=CF=89=CF=82" (And they said to him, "So say stalk", and he=20
was not correct in speaking thus). ("Shibboleth" is Hebrew for a grain stal=
k=20
and also occurs in the dream of seven big ears and seven scrawny ears.) How=
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should we render it in Lojban, which does have /=CA=83/?

.i lo gliadi goi ko'e cu ga'orgau lo grestu be la .iordan. fo lo fraimi goi=
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fo'a .i lo fraimi cliva cu cusku lu .e'o mi pagre li'u .i ko'e retsku lu xu=
 do=20
fraimi li'u .i fo'a dafsku lu nago'i li'u .i ko'e mi'esku lu ko cusku zo st=
ani=20
li'u .i fo'a naldra bacru cusku zo ctani .isemu'ibo ko'e catra fo'a ba'e bu=
'u=20
lo grestu be la .iordan.

mu'omi'e .pier.
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sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera

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