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A new study. Written in Lojban? From: Gleki Arxokuna To: Constructed Languages List , International Auxiliary Languages , lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01493d6061707a04f6096d1f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e01493d6061707a04f6096d1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Many hypotheses. Many opinions. But are they more credible that this April's joke? Most of them are not. Indeed, the conclusions from the analysis of images in this article is not groundless. The same can be said about low entropy. If all of us know that this can't lead to a usual letter-phoneme correspondence then why do new hypotheses try to make such plain replacements over and over again? When I saw two last articles (Nahuatl and Arabic hypotheses) I decided to write my own. Apart from Lojban and time travels dragged into the article the rest is not a joke. ---------------------------- Back to the funny part. Lojbanic community partially believed the joke. Here are some opinions: >> Well, obviously that means Lojban takes over the world so they send people to past to teach it. Hooray for us for being the pioneers lol. Maybe we can get a finished reference grammar of Lojban from them. Another opinion: >>It's just a way to tell us, Lojbanists, go ahead, you initiative will work. But without breaking the time-space continuum. I agree that's a pretty damn convincing explanation. 2014-04-01 11:45 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > The researchers from the University of Laguna Verde are reporting that > they have made a new breakthrough in deciphering The Voynich Manuscript. > > The study pointed out the fact that the language of the manuscript > couldn't be a normal human language due to the clearly seen low entropy of > the text. > > The article hasn't been published yet but the authors kindly provided me > with the draft of their paper that very soon will be published in Laguna > Verde University proceedings. > > http://mw.lojban.org/files/docs/voynich.pdf > > This might sound strange but they came to conclusion that the manuscript > was written in a variation of the logical language Lojban. > > Several words from the manuscript have been translated after a laborious > digitalizing of the manuscript and careful analysis of the pictures, > history of Mediaeval Italy and advances in modern logical science. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Many hypotheses. Many opinions. But are they more cre= dible that this April's joke? Most of them are not.

Indeed, the conclusions from the analysis of images in this article i= s not groundless. The same can be said about low entropy. If all of us know= that this can't lead to a usual letter-phoneme correspondence then why= do new hypotheses try to make such plain replacements over and over again?=

When I saw two last articles (Nahuatl and Arabic hypoth= eses) I decided to write my own.
Apart from Lojban and time trave= ls dragged into the article the rest is not a joke.
-------------= ---------------
Back to the funny part. Lojbanic community partially believed the joke= .
Here are some opinions:
>> Well, obviously that= means Lojban takes over the world so they send people to past to teach it.= Hooray for us for being the pioneers lol. Maybe we can get a finished refe= rence grammar of Lojban from them.

Another opinion:
>>It's just a way = to tell us, Lojbanists, go ahead, you initiative will work. But without bre= aking the time-space continuum.

I agree that's= a pretty damn convincing explanation. =C2=A0


2014-04= -01 11:45 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
The researchers from the Un= iversity of Laguna Verde are reporting that they have made a new breakthrou= gh in deciphering The Voynich Manuscript.

The study pointed out the fact that the language of the manu= script couldn't be a normal human language due to the clearly seen low = entropy of the text.

The article hasn't been published yet but the autho= rs kindly provided me with the draft of their paper that very soon will be = published in Laguna Verde University proceedings.


This might sound strange but they came to conclusion that the manuscr= ipt was written in a variation of the logical language Lojban.

Several words from the manuscript have= been translated after a laborious digitalizing of the manuscript and caref= ul analysis of the pictures, history of Mediaeval Italy and advances in mod= ern logical science.

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