Received: from mail-ee0-f57.google.com ([74.125.83.57]:48829) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WYyyR-0000sa-PU for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 07:32:20 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f57.google.com with SMTP id e49sf482694eek.22 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 07:31:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=A8NzXT0Ro0nVvfM7b8aFwI/d56RKBfaUxVjS70SB5cw=; b=SnqApeqVnCMzQneDa1iYNf0Pvd48GxaGGldPZZD9h+GUOREP55tqVLPljEDVIEZD1H JWIPa2DgrSfWS1KG6EDv13ausOyVH0w5mjpHT+zVd4FFv+Uo27St3UZ/vnHroAZUp/b7 YZLZ5J3dQIvgcZerYXXiI2YoSL9I0X36KPUFuZqjYQd9jIgD99NzrP7zyHppBs5s0m8z Z0xN/gQge16mpUuagdNI+9rPw0TwUg2PqClaZTv2ybGmX1RLJjmDmtDcpJmhf7cOGVOb cagLV1UM/784TQrU5asjStQwzjQhm9OUL66F9RLDpPtfzTrT1j9PmvYyeMx6YQGuavzu xqmA== X-Received: by 10.180.79.193 with SMTP id l1mr12062wix.9.1397313116400; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 07:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.99.199 with SMTP id es7ls263501wib.5.canary; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.10.129 with SMTP id i1mr230799wib.5.1397313115469; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22b.google.com (mail-we0-x22b.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u3si287189wiw.3.2014.04.12.07.31.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Apr 2014 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b; Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id t61so6403469wes.2 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.87.34 with SMTP id u2mr2699982wiz.3.1397313115374; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 18:31:55 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] The definition of cmavo. From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com, bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044280f6e1ca8f04f6d94f28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d044280f6e1ca8f04f6d94f28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Current definition: cmavo x1 is a structure word of grammatical class x2, with meaning/function x3 in usage (language) x4. x4 may be a specific usage (with an embedded language place) or a massified language description; x3 and x4 may be merely an example of cmavo usage or refer to an actual expression; cmavo list, if physical object (= (loi) ma'oste); referring to the mental construct (e.g. propose adding a new cmavo to the cmavo list = ma'orpoi, ma'orselcmi, ma'orselste). See also gismu, lujvo, gerna, smuni, valsi. I suggest that cmavo2 is a la'e zo-quotation of a cmavo that represents the whole selma'o ({lu'i}?) so {zo a cmavo la'e zo a}. Otherwise we need a separate word for each selma'o (like e.g. {cmavrxavo}). Since {zo a} is easier to remember than {cmavrxavo} and since other usages of cnmavo2 are unlikely to be useful i suggest changing (clarifying?) this definition cmavo x1 is a structure word of grammatical class x2 (la'e zo), with meaning/function x3 in usage (language) x4. x2 is the prefixed with {la'e} {zo} cmavo that represents the class of structure words. x4 may be a specific usage (with an embedded language place) or a massified language description; x3 and x4 may be merely an example of cmavo usage or refer to an actual expression; cmavo list, if physical object (= (loi) ma'oste); referring to the mental construct (e.g. propose adding a new cmavo to the cmavo list = ma'orpoi, ma'orselcmi, ma'orselste). 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Current definition:
cmavo
x1 is a= structure word of grammatical class x2, with meaning/function x3 in usage = (language) x4.
x4 may be a specific usage (with an embedded l= anguage place) or a massified language description; x3 and x4 may be merely= an example of cmavo usage or refer to an actual expression; cmavo list, if= physical object (=3D (loi) ma'oste); referring to the mental construct= (e.g. propose adding a new cmavo to the cmavo list =3D ma'orpoi, ma= 9;orselcmi, ma'orselste). See also gismu, lujvo, gerna, smuni, valsi.

I suggest that cmavo2 is a la'e zo-quotation of a cmavo that re= presents the whole selma'o =C2=A0({lu'i}?)

so=C2=A0
{zo a cmavo la'e zo a}. Otherwise we need a separat= e word for each selma'o (like e.g. {cmavrxavo}).
Since {zo a} is easier to remember than {cmavrxavo} and since ot= her usages of cnmavo2 are unlikely to be useful i suggest changing (clarify= ing?) this definition

cmavo
x1 is a= structure word of grammatical class x2 (la'e zo), with meaning/functio= n x3 in usage (language) x4.
x2 is the prefixed with {la'e} {zo} cmavo that represen= ts the class of structure words. x4 may be a specific usage (with an embedd= ed language place) or a massified language description; x3 and x4 may be me= rely an example of cmavo usage or refer to an actual expression; cmavo list= , if physical object (=3D (loi) ma'oste); referring to the mental const= ruct (e.g. propose adding a new cmavo to the cmavo list =3D ma'orpoi, m= a'orselcmi, ma'orselste). See also gismu, lujvo, gerna, smuni, vals= i.

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