Received: from mail-ob0-f186.google.com ([209.85.214.186]:54411) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WZMiy-0000CN-Kt for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 08:53:49 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f186.google.com with SMTP id wm4sf1620686obc.3 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 08:53:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OZi+zuVPbQ/TqEnCXhXis5mzx1/wH+De5M56ZjzZPzQ=; b=ZLfWVUZTYQMVCvQeaKtUvBM1sJlMDD/IHN+fMeOErKKjyUo0qtDi6jgiYNWtQruBNR DDW0Z1yHrB3ZLFgA/nMTdtG3fzoEVTBBJ2y/AfYgksFWTsOAotfoEeIDcltoo7mG6rgA htZGRCpTWYcZNBx9SFozQdYgQ+OscIW8M/YLOEmqUhr79nopyfXOIaxWsY8/p2Sgl9Pu mqAup9Y6M9UeRyCAeOEsCcaIYtBAFpRkMiVmGuE5D7Qpajg//hfwJPSxkYBfOooaoDMO pkVXi7HpWmxsPMYctWed0wfqVR8NfUOkku59LGOR6exY0T25lv/bAHZCiixBCBbPTJVG wVvw== X-Received: by 10.140.38.212 with SMTP id t78mr63153qgt.7.1397404414334; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 08:53:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.87.33 with SMTP id q30ls2269989qgd.99.gmail; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 08:53:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.142.135 with SMTP id rw7mr16767952veb.14.1397404414060; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 08:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.225]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p5si1076121qcq.3.2014.04.13.08.53.33 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 08:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 107.14.166.225 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=107.14.166.225; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:45733] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id FF/90-24933-DF2BA435; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 15:53:33 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB96508E for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:53:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Tag compounds' semantics Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:53:31 -0400 Message-ID: <2198754.cf9Q7LNGSG@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-60-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <534A975C.6070304@gmail.com> References: <534A975C.6070304@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 107.14.166.225 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday, April 13, 2014 15:55:40 Ilmen wrote: > coi ro do, > > Is { broda ri'u vi ko'a } equivalent to { broda ri'u zo'e vi ko'a } or > to { broda ri'u ko'a vi ko'a }? > In other words, is {ri'u vi} --and {pu zi} and the similar tag compounds > for that matter-- considered semantically as a single tag (whose argument > is shared by the two tag members), or as two standalone tags? If I understand right, the object of "ri'u" is the place to whose right something happens, whereas the object of "vi" is the distance (which is short), so "ri'u ko'a vi ko'a" wouldn't make sense. But the two phrases combine to mean "a short distance on the right", not "somewhere on the right, then a short distance". I'm about to check out of the inn, so I don't have time to look it up. Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.