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 Content preview:  coi ro do The gismu {vamji} seems to be a promising word for
    translating "to be worth doing", as well as words such as "recommendable",
    "admirable", "unacceptable", "reprehensible/blameworthy", etc. (The -able/-ible
    suffix has several different meanings depending on the word it attaches to;
    most often it is {cumki} (-cu'i), but in the case of some words like these,
    {vamji} seems to be the adequate word.) [...] 
 
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coi ro do

The gismu {vamji} seems to be a promising word for translating "to be=20
worth doing", as well as words such as "recommendable", "admirable",=20
"unacceptable", "reprehensible/blameworthy", etc. (The -able/-ible=20
suffix has several different meanings depending on the word it attaches=20
to; most often it is {cumki} (-cu'i), but in the case of some words like=20
these, {vamji} seems to be the adequate word.)

However, I can't make sense of {vamji}'s argument structure:

vamji (value)
--- x1 (ni) is the equivalent value/worth of x2 [item(s) of value] to x3=20
for use/appreciation x4
--- [also: x2 is worth x1 to x3; (for x2 person:) x2 merits (one sense),=20
(adjective:) x2 is worthy (=3D selva'i for reordered places); merit reward=
=20
(=3D nemselva'i); receive merited reward (=3D vamselne'u); x2 may be a=20
specific object, a commodity (mass), an event, or a property;=20
pedantically, for objects/commodities, this is sumti-raising from=20
ownership of the object/commodity (=3D posyva'i, posyselva'i for=20
unambiguous semantics)];
(cf. jdima, jerna, vecnu, dirba, janta, kargu, pleji; see note at jdima=20
on cost/price/value distinction, vajni)


Corpus usage of the arguments of {vamji} ---with more than one argument=20
place filled--- is scarce, and didn't help me much.

Could somebody enlighten me by providing a couple of example sentences=20
using all of {vamji}'s argument places? (Preferably not for monetary=20
value usages, as {jdima} is a better word for that purpose.)

For example, how would you translate =ABThe film is well worth seeing.=BB i=
n=20
Lojban?

Thank you in advance,
mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


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    coi ro do<br>
    <br>
    The gismu {vamji} seems to be a promising word for translating "to
    be worth doing", as well as words such as "recommendable",
    "admirable", "unacceptable", "reprehensible/blameworthy", etc. (The
    -able/-ible suffix has several different meanings depending on the
    word it attaches to; most often it is {cumki} (-cu'i), but in the
    case of some words like these, {vamji} seems to be the adequate
    word.)<br>
    <br>
    However, I can't make sense of {vamji}'s argument structure:<br>
    <br>
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          <td valign="top">vamji (value)<br>
            &#8212; x1 (ni) is the equivalent value/worth of x2 [item(s) of
            value] to x3 for use/appreciation x4<br>
            &#8212; [also: x2 is worth x1 to x3; (for x2 person:) x2 merits
            (one sense), (adjective:) x2 is worthy (= selva'i for
            reordered places); merit reward (= nemselva'i); receive
            merited reward (= vamselne'u); x2 may be a specific object,
            a commodity (mass), an event, or a property; pedantically,
            for objects/commodities, this is sumti-raising from
            ownership of the object/commodity (= posyva'i, posyselva'i
            for unambiguous semantics)];<br>
            (cf. jdima, jerna, vecnu, dirba, janta, kargu, pleji; see
            note at jdima on cost/price/value distinction, vajni)<br>
          </td>
        </tr>
      </tbody>
    </table>
    <br>
    <br>
    Corpus usage of the arguments of {vamji} &#8212;with more than one
    argument place filled&#8212; is scarce, and didn't help me much.<br>
    <br>
    Could somebody enlighten me by providing a couple of example
    sentences using all of {vamji}'s argument places? (Preferably not
    for monetary value usages, as {jdima} is a better word for that
    purpose.)<br>
    <br>
    For example, how would you translate &laquo;The film is well worth
    seeing.&raquo; in Lojban?<br>
    <br>
    Thank you in advance,<br>
    mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o<br>
    <br>
    <br>
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