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Le 13/04/2014 17:53, Pierre Abbat a =E9crit :
> On Sunday, April 13, 2014 15:55:40 Ilmen wrote:
>> coi ro do,
>>
>> Is { broda ri'u vi ko'a } equivalent to { broda ri'u zo'e vi ko'a } or
>> to { broda ri'u ko'a vi ko'a }?
>> In other words, is {ri'u vi} --and {pu zi} and the similar tag compounds
>> for that matter-- considered semantically as a single tag (whose argumen=
t
>> is shared by the two tag members), or as two standalone tags?
> If I understand right, the object of "ri'u" is the place to whose right
> something happens, whereas the object of "vi" is the distance (which is
> short), so "ri'u ko'a vi ko'a" wouldn't make sense. But the two phrases
> combine to mean "a short distance on the right", not "somewhere on the ri=
ght,
> then a short distance".
>
> I'm about to check out of the inn, so I don't have time to look it up.
>
> Pierre

http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/vi <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/vi>

In Jbovlaste and the ma'oste, {vi} is described as follow:
. =AB location tense distance: here at ... ; at or a very short/tiny=20
distance from ... =BB

As I understand it, {vi} is a tag based on {sepli}; its argument is a=20
sepli2, and not a sepli3.
Otherwise, {vi lo cmalu} would be somewhat redundant, don't you think so? :=
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    Le 13/04/2014 17:53, Pierre Abbat a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:<br>
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      <pre wrap="">On Sunday, April 13, 2014 15:55:40 Ilmen wrote:
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        <pre wrap="">coi ro do,

Is { broda ri'u vi ko'a } equivalent to { broda ri'u zo'e vi ko'a } or
to { broda ri'u ko'a vi ko'a }?
In other words, is {ri'u vi} --and {pu zi} and the similar tag compounds
for that matter-- considered semantically as a single tag (whose argument
is shared by the two tag members), or as two standalone tags?
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      <pre wrap="">
If I understand right, the object of "ri'u" is the place to whose right 
something happens, whereas the object of "vi" is the distance (which is 
short), so "ri'u ko'a vi ko'a" wouldn't make sense. But the two phrases 
combine to mean "a short distance on the right", not "somewhere on the right, 
then a short distance".

I'm about to check out of the inn, so I don't have time to look it up.

Pierre
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    <a href="http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/vi"><br>
      http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/vi</a><br>
    <br>
    In Jbovlaste and the ma'oste, {vi} is described as follow:<br>
    &#8226; &laquo; location tense distance: here at ... ; at or a very short/tiny
    distance from ... &raquo;<br>
    <br>
    As I understand it, {vi} is a tag based on {sepli}; its argument is
    a sepli2, and not a sepli3.<br>
    Otherwise, {vi lo cmalu} would be somewhat redundant, don't you
    think so? :)<br>
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