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On 13/04/2014 18:43, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com=20
> <mailto:ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     coi ro do,
>
>     Is { broda ri'u vi ko'a } equivalent to { broda ri'u zo'e vi ko'a
>     } or to { broda ri'u ko'a vi ko'a }?
>
> CLL doesn't say it directly, but for the example you give it would=20
> probably go with the latter, since for CLL the sumti complement of VA=20
> is the origin of the "imaginary journey", just as for FAhA, and "FAhA=20
> VA" combine to describe the same leg of the imaginary journey, so=20
> naturally they have the same origin.

coi la .xorxes.

Yeah, I thought that such tag coupounds could be expended as follow:

{broda pu zu ko'a} =3D {lo nu broda ku ko'a purci gi'e te temci lo barda}
{broda ri'u vi ko'a} =3D {lo nu broda ku ko'a pritu gi'e sepli lo cmalu}

pei

> But for compound tenses that involve two or more FAhA, that is not the=20
> case. Each FAhA describes a new leg of the journey, which starts where=20
> the previous one left off, so they can't all share the same sumti=20
> complement as origin when separated. But the sumti complement of the=20
> compound will be the origin for the first leg of the journey, which=20
> corresponds to the first FAhA of the series, not the last one,  So=20
> "ri'u ga'u ko'a" will break down as "ri'u ko'a ga'u zo'e", not as=20
> "ri'u zo'e ga'u ko'a".

{ri'u ga'u ko'a} =3D {ri'u ko'a ga'u zo'e}?  This is... weird. o_O

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/04/2014 18:43, Jorge Llamb&iacute;as
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cite="mid:CAO7tK2e4Wonr5eB=HdpXnEArckBtkMJgM+AN1HLCw_F4FmV4eA@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div class="gmail_extra">On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Ilmen
          <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com" target="_blank">ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">coi ro
              do,<br>
              <br>
              Is { broda ri'u vi ko'a } equivalent to { broda ri'u zo'e
              vi ko'a } or to { broda ri'u ko'a vi ko'a }?<br>
            </blockquote>
            <div>&nbsp;</div>
            <div>CLL doesn't say it directly, but for the example you
              give it would probably go with the latter, since for CLL
              the sumti complement of VA is the origin of the "imaginary
              journey", just as for FAhA, and "FAhA VA" combine to
              describe the same leg of the imaginary journey, so
              naturally they have the same origin.</div>
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        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    coi la .xorxes.<br>
    <br>
    Yeah, I thought that such tag coupounds could be expended as follow:<br>
    <br>
    {broda pu zu ko'a} = {lo nu broda ku ko'a purci gi'e te temci lo
    barda}<br>
    {broda ri'u vi ko'a} = {lo nu broda ku ko'a pritu gi'e sepli lo
    cmalu}<br>
    <br>
    pei<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAO7tK2e4Wonr5eB=HdpXnEArckBtkMJgM+AN1HLCw_F4FmV4eA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_extra">
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div> But for compound tenses that involve two or more FAhA,
              that is not the case. Each FAhA describes a new leg of the
              journey, which starts where the previous one left off, so
              they can't all share the same sumti complement as origin
              when separated. But the sumti complement of the compound
              will be the origin for the first leg of the journey, which
              corresponds to the first FAhA of the series, not the last
              one, &nbsp;So "ri'u ga'u ko'a" will break down as "ri'u ko'a
              ga'u zo'e", not as "ri'u zo'e ga'u ko'a".<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    {ri'u ga'u ko'a} = {ri'u ko'a ga'u zo'e}?&nbsp; This is... weird. o_O<br>
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