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On 13/04/2014 19:09, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> That's somewhat contradictory, which can ve seen more clearly with=20
> "va" or "vu":
> "near to ... ; there at ...; a medium/small distance from ..."
>   "far from ... ; yonder at ... ; a longdistance from ..."
> "Here/there/yonder at ..." is obviously not the same as "a short/medium/l=
ong distance from ..."
> In any case CLL dropped the"here/there/yonder at ..." version,and the BPF=
K has the magnitude version:
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Distance
>
>     As I understand it, {vi} is a tag based on {sepli}; its argument
>     is a sepli2, and not a sepli3.
>     Otherwise, {vi lo cmalu} would be somewhat redundant, don't you
>     think so? :)
>
>
> "vi lo cmalu" is somewhat redundant, but "vi lo centre be li ci" is=20
> not. :)

.oi ro'e se'i

I didn't know of this BPFK page. Thank you for the link!

Well, thus pu's argument and that of zi aren't of the same type, and {pu=20
zi}'s tags probably can't share the same argument.

I have my answer, thank you. :)

Now the distinctions vi/va/vu and zi/za/zu seem pointless, as you can=20
always say {va lo centre be li ci so'u} or {va lo centre be li ci ku noi=20
cmalu}.

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 13/04/2014 19:09, Jorge Llamb&iacute;=
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            <div>That's somewhat contradictory, which can ve seen more
              clearly with "va" or "vu":</div>
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              <pre style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">"near to ... ; there at ...; =
a medium/small distance from ..."</pre>
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r from ... ; yonder at ... ; a long&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:=
arial">distance from ..."</span></pre>
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ial">"Here/there/yonder at ..." is obviously not the same as "a short/mediu=
m/long distance from ..."</span></pre>
              <pre style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"arial">In any c=
ase CLL dropped the </font><span style=3D"font-family:arial">"here/there/yo=
nder at ..." version, </span><span style=3D"font-family:arial">and the BPFK=
 has the magnitude version:&nbsp;</span></pre>
              <pre style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font color=3D"#000000" face=
=3D"arial"><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/B=
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              <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> As I understand it=
,
                {vi} is a tag based on {sepli}; its argument is a
                sepli2, and not a sepli3.<br>
                Otherwise, {vi lo cmalu} would be somewhat redundant,
                don't you think so? :)<br>
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            <div>"vi lo cmalu" is somewhat redundant, but "vi lo centre
              be li ci" is not. :)<br>
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    .oi ro'e se'i<br>
    <br>
    I didn't know of this BPFK page. Thank you for the link!<br>
    <br>
    Well, thus pu's argument and that of zi aren't of the same type, and
    {pu zi}'s tags probably can't share the same argument.<br>
    <br>
    I have my answer, thank you. :)<br>
    <br>
    Now the distinctions vi/va/vu and zi/za/zu seem pointless, as you
    can always say {va lo centre be li ci so'u} or {va lo centre be li
    ci ku noi cmalu}.<br>
    <br>
    mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o<br>
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