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 Content preview:  On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>
    wrote: > > > Could somebody enlighten me by providing a couple of example
    sentences > using all of {vamji}'s argument places? (Preferably not for monetary
    value > usages, as {jdima} is a better word for that purpose.) > [...] 
 
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On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Could somebody enlighten me by providing a couple of example sentences
> using all of {vamji}'s argument places? (Preferably not for monetary valu=
e
> usages, as {jdima} is a better word for that purpose.)
>

The x4 is kind of forced, but I understand it as this:

  lo vi cukta cu se vamji lo mutce mi lo nu tadni
  This book is worth a lot to me for studying.

For example, how would you translate =ABThe film is well worth seeing.=BB i=
n
> Lojban?
>

I would say that's an example of so-called "tough movement" in English:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_movement

It could be paraphrased as "It is well worth seeing the film." which would
go into Lojban as:

     lo nu catlu lo skina cu se vamji lo mutce

Now to raise "lo skina" to the main clause you would need:

    lo skina cu jai se vamji lo mutce fai lo ka catlu ce'u

so the corresponding -able/-ible suffix is as simple as -jaxselva'i  :)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ilmen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-l=
eft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <br>
    Could somebody enlighten me by providing a couple of example
    sentences using all of {vamji}&#39;s argument places? (Preferably not
    for monetary value usages, as {jdima} is a better word for that
    purpose.)<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The x4 is kind of f=
orced, but I understand it as this:</div><div><br></div><div>=A0 lo vi cukt=
a cu se vamji lo mutce mi lo nu tadni</div><div>=A0 This book is worth a lo=
t to me for studying.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    For example, how would you translate =ABThe film is well worth
    seeing.=BB in Lojban?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would=
 say that&#39;s an example of so-called &quot;tough movement&quot; in Engli=
sh:</div><div><br></div><div>=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tou=
gh_movement">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_movement</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>It could be paraphrased as &quot;It is well worth seein=
g the film.&quot; which would go into Lojban as:</div><div><br></div><div>=
=A0 =A0 =A0lo nu catlu lo skina cu se vamji lo mutce</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>
Now to raise &quot;lo skina&quot; to the main clause you would need:</div><=
div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 lo skina cu jai se vamji lo mutce fai lo ka catl=
u ce&#39;u</div><div><br></div><div>so the corresponding -able/-ible suffix=
 is as simple as -jaxselva&#39;i =A0:)</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div></div></div></div>

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