Received: from mail-qc0-f184.google.com ([209.85.216.184]:38647) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WZPRr-0001F4-Fp for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:48:23 -0700 Received: by mail-qc0-f184.google.com with SMTP id i8sf1635489qcq.21 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VmnUFBwjDvloIsSavo/ba6HBHCZPqOr9emjawJ+4wE4=; b=Dbv33PiMssc80eQ1ElVNdq7/yhn6J1Vw7I0XsH6rEOfaYgBLfTZ5wv0JmVISDPafWp kuY9FnCGHQOl8vobbwb+TRIBlnxEJbn0329LyDaBMY8txuKxac1jtgxFTrdA3O+VCCri IpAOYlIrtutKOwNQWK/yXqfl8EhfoKyfwAkcl4gWSEY6pL1HERtUQWJCa3lwhIPjpqpj /YmDCGOUI9wc8jPNd1bogBI7E37MN3swuBLQzdJtfKgDvh6K3/dEEtk3Pa6lW/9DZhy9 eFjtNhy6qPPOLtkOb04LZYCLsPtTNtV1cO7lfETo0qZzfrD4Ze0GMRtFltsrCjhYIzXT 9VoQ== X-Received: by 10.140.43.228 with SMTP id e91mr3123qga.19.1397414884472; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.50.197 with SMTP id s63ls2343291qga.39.gmail; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.30.78 with SMTP id q14mr17222053veh.10.1397414884182; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.253.99 with SMTP id zz3msigc; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 21:11:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.61.144 with SMTP id p16mr182041igr.16.1397362319818; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 21:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 21:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Browne To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <3c854d97-8cb5-47c1-b53c-70717a2a5510@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban] Re: Is there a formal chess lexicon for the lojban language? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: dersaidin@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_134_23915059.1397362318465" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_134_23915059.1397362318465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 "As a chessplayer myself, I have no use for this terminology. If I ever speak in Lojban about chess, I intend to adhere to the international standards of notation and naming. They are widely followed in every other language." Seconded. Use the standard Algebraic Notation (AN): http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=171&view=article (appendix C) Don't mess with AN. It is already a logical language (and well established) :p. When reading AN aloud you would use lojban letterals and digits: e4, e5, Nc3, Nc6, ... ebu vo. ebu mu. ny fy ci. ny fy xa. ... I see FIDE AN does allow for using local language names for pieces and corresponding abbreviations - but all the chess material I have seen (except really old stuff not in AN) use the English piece abbreviations. As an English speaker my observation is biased, but I have seen some chess content in other languages and it is still using English piece abbreviations (I have a chess book entirely in Russian, all I can read is the AN games). I would be surprised to hear if non-english speaking players actually use their native language abbreviations for AN. Notation aside, for saying piece names in conversation, the piece name suggestions on that page look reasonable to me. I don't really mind what names are chosen for conversation, but it would be cool if they matched the conventional KQRBN piece abbreviations. Just don't try to displace AN within its role. Andrew On Thursday, February 6, 2014 1:00:06 AM UTC+10, la gleki wrote: > > This was asked in the chat so i m copying the message here: > > is there a formal chess lexicon for the lojban language? > > does everyone agree with http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Chess+terminology or > you have other suggestions? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_134_23915059.1397362318465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"As a chessplayer myself, I have no use for this terminology. If I ever sp= eak in Lojban about chess, I intend to adhere to the international standard= s of notation and naming. They are widely followed in every other language.= "
Seconded.

Use the standard Algebraic No= tation (AN): http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=3D171&view=3Dar= ticle (appendix C)
= Don't mess with AN. It= is already a logical language (and well established) :p.
<= div>
When reading AN aloud you would use lojban let= terals and digits:
= e4, e5, Nc3, Nc6, ...
ebu vo. ebu mu. ny fy ci. ny fy xa. ...

=
I see FIDE AN does allow for using local language names for = pieces and corresponding abbreviations - but all the chess material I have = seen (except really old stuff not in AN) use the English piece abbreviation= s.
As an English speaker my observation is biased, but I have see= n some chess content in other languages and it is still using English piece= abbreviations (I have a chess book entirely in Russian, all I can read is = the AN games).
I would be surprised to hear if non-english speaki= ng players actually use their native language abbreviations for AN.


Notation aside, for saying piece names= in conversation, the piece name suggestions on that page look reasonable t= o me.
I don't really mind what names are chosen for conversation,= but it would be cool if they matched the conventional KQRBN piece abbrevia= tions.
Just don't try to displace AN within its role.


Andrew


On Thursday= , February 6, 2014 1:00:06 AM UTC+10, la gleki wrote:
This was asked in the chat so i m &= nbsp;copying the message here:

is there a formal chess l= exicon for the lojban language?

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