Received: from mail-wi0-f192.google.com ([209.85.212.192]:45737) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WZYAM-0004g0-Qx for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:06:52 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f192.google.com with SMTP id hi2sf207256wib.29 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:06:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ryFo2P2n0phMhWJzvGF9S21MFnupmUbj8MNNvLu9W78=; b=EX2JzL1L8znsBOWNeMuzNkwCz+DlsdcuMmWpYJ33QiBGLd7Xz52S3myv12h784pEPo muf8tRJ/r7o0lotfF60DFeP/R4II3Hwnl7Da0dT8tOgrpG/cnEHpHe2AkP/4pyxxICkF sjGkz5pB7oaoazHo8EV5HtHeW7RwFYFUvTt86bh6YdqvO+ELbNwZzR6604iJk4EozbjI 3AAMs1K1Y4TUWcmuMth70fO/zODnjEcPlstFBHVleFlZPS6h4avH6zzm//ZRq6mQLye2 VFVjJgUm8zBA+mTHcK00iF7iGpdwh7ii8eXFnkdgzSktNN+0fDkYIrfnKP+Db/qmPjzR 4nzg== X-Received: by 10.152.234.164 with SMTP id uf4mr473888lac.2.1397448395248; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:06:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.153.4.135 with SMTP id ce7ls392389lad.32.gmail; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.180.73 with SMTP id dm9mr3264949lbc.2.1397448394321; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x230.google.com (mail-we0-x230.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ng3si490316wic.0.2014.04.13.21.06.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::230; Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id x48so7390255wes.7 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.78.77 with SMTP id z13mr6340wjw.64.1397448394210; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140413211201.085367eb@aol.com> References: <20140413211201.085367eb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 08:06:34 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The definition of cmavo. From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcfc9821031f04f6f8cffa X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bfcfc9821031f04f6f8cffa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it should be just a special sumti type so that cmavo2, cmavrbai1 and K and ma'oi take this type. However, regarding xorxe's notes cmavo2 may indeed require a special type converter which might be just {ma'oi} indeed although i can imagine a word that would mean broda =3D x1 is a brivla belonging to semantic class x2 and broda2 would be similar to cmavo2. 2014-04-13 23:12 GMT+04:00 Wuzzy : > You proposed: > > cmavo > > x1 is a structure word of grammatical class x2 (la'e zo), with > > meaning/function x3 in usage (language) x4. > (etc. etc. etc.) > > Okay, I have some small questions (about clarification) regarding the > proposal. > > In your proposal, which words are allowed to fill x2? > > Take the selma'o =E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D for example: This selma'o has the wo= rds =E2=80=9C.a=E2=80=9D, > =E2=80=9C.e=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9C.o=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9C.u=E2=80=9D and =E2= =80=9Cje=E2=80=9D. Which word is allowed to fill x2? Just > =E2=80=9Ca=E2=80=9D (=E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D simply lower-cased) or any word = of the selma'o A? So that for > example =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo la'e zo .e=E2=80=9D would be valid. > > Would your proposal /only/ permit the usage of the =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo l= a'e zo > .a=E2=80=9D form? Would the form =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo lo cmavrxavo=E2=80= =9D be still permitted > or is that out-ruled? Which other forms would be permitted (if any)? > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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I think it should be just a special sumti type so that cma= vo2, cmavrbai1 and K and ma'oi take this type.

Howev= er, regarding xorxe's notes cmavo2 may indeed require a special type co= nverter which might be just {ma'oi} indeed
although i can imagine a word that would mean
broda =3D x1 i= s a brivla belonging to semantic class x2
and broda2 would be sim= ilar to cmavo2.


2014-04-13 23:12 GMT+04:00 Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com= >:
You proposed:
> cmavo
> x1 is a structure word of grammatical class x2 (la'e zo), with
> meaning/function x3 in usage (language) x4.
(etc. etc. etc.)

Okay, I have some small questions (about clarification) regarding the
proposal.

In your proposal, which words are allowed to fill x2?

Take the selma'o =E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D for example: This selma'o has = the words =E2=80=9C.a=E2=80=9D,
=E2=80=9C.e=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9C.o=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9C.u=E2=80=9D and =E2=80= =9Cje=E2=80=9D. Which word is allowed to fill x2? Just
=E2=80=9Ca=E2=80=9D (=E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D simply lower-cased) or any word of= the selma'o A? So that for
example =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo la'e zo .e=E2=80=9D would be valid.

Would your proposal /only/ permit the usage of the =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo la&= #39;e zo
.a=E2=80=9D form? Would the form =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo lo cmavrxavo=E2=80=9D= be still permitted
or is that out-ruled? Which other forms would be permitted (if any)?


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