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Subject: Re: [lojban] The definition of cmavo.
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I forgot to add that in my definition it is said
"x2 is the prefixed with {la'e} {zo} cmavo that represents the class of
structure words."

I think la'e is unnecessary here.
This means that in {cmavo zo bai} the word {bai} is the symbol of the set
of all cmavo in that selma'o. Or you can say that it has two meaning but
since it is limited to Lojban grammar no ambiguity arises when describing
outer world.

{zo bai poi valsi} is a word, {zo bai poi selma'o} is a selma'o.
Or alternatively you might still use {cmavo lu'i zo bai} but with the note
that by design cmavo2 returns only that set of cmavo that adequately
represents the class BAI, not any other set. So {".a", "be", "ci", "do",
"fu"} and other sets except the BAI set no pasar=C3=A1n.

Actually the same problem is with letterals.
How to refer to the Lojbanic sound [b] ? {zo by} or {zoi lojb.b.lojb.}? but
that's a letter, not a sound.


2014-04-14 8:06 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:

> I think it should be just a special sumti type so that cmavo2, cmavrbai1
> and K and ma'oi take this type.
>
> However, regarding xorxe's notes cmavo2 may indeed require a special type
> converter which might be just {ma'oi} indeed
> although i can imagine a word that would mean
> broda =3D x1 is a brivla belonging to semantic class x2
> and broda2 would be similar to cmavo2.
>
>
>
> 2014-04-13 23:12 GMT+04:00 Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com>:
>
> You proposed:
>> > cmavo
>> > x1 is a structure word of grammatical class x2 (la'e zo), with
>> > meaning/function x3 in usage (language) x4.
>> (etc. etc. etc.)
>>
>> Okay, I have some small questions (about clarification) regarding the
>> proposal.
>>
>> In your proposal, which words are allowed to fill x2?
>>
>> Take the selma'o =E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D for example: This selma'o has the w=
ords =E2=80=9C.a=E2=80=9D,
>> =E2=80=9C.e=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9C.o=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9C.u=E2=80=9D and =E2=
=80=9Cje=E2=80=9D. Which word is allowed to fill x2? Just
>> =E2=80=9Ca=E2=80=9D (=E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D simply lower-cased) or any word=
 of the selma'o A? So that for
>> example =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo la'e zo .e=E2=80=9D would be valid.
>>
>> Would your proposal /only/ permit the usage of the =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo =
la'e zo
>> .a=E2=80=9D form? Would the form =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo lo cmavrxavo=E2=80=
=9D be still permitted
>> or is that out-ruled? Which other forms would be permitted (if any)?
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I forgot to add that in my definition it is said<div>&quot=
;x2 is the prefixed with {la&#39;e} {zo} cmavo that represents the class of=
 structure words.&quot;<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think la&#39;e is un=
necessary here.</div>
<div>This means that in {cmavo zo bai} the word {bai} is the symbol of the =
set of all cmavo in that selma&#39;o. Or you can say that it has two meanin=
g but since it is limited to Lojban grammar no ambiguity arises when descri=
bing outer world.</div>
<div><br></div><div>{zo bai poi valsi} is a word, {zo bai poi selma&#39;o} =
is a selma&#39;o.</div><div>Or alternatively you might still use {cmavo lu&=
#39;i zo bai} but with the note that by design cmavo2 returns only that set=
 of cmavo that adequately represents the class BAI, not any other set. So {=
&quot;.a&quot;, &quot;be&quot;, &quot;ci&quot;, &quot;do&quot;, &quot;fu&qu=
ot;} and other sets except the BAI set no pasar=C3=A1n.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Actually the same problem is with letterals.</div><div>=
How to refer to the Lojbanic sound [b] ? {zo by} or {zoi lojb.b.lojb.}? but=
 that&#39;s a letter, not a sound.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-04-14 8:06 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I think it should be just a special sumti type so that cma=
vo2, cmavrbai1 and K and ma&#39;oi take this type.<div><br></div><div>Howev=
er, regarding xorxe&#39;s notes cmavo2 may indeed require a special type co=
nverter which might be just {ma&#39;oi} indeed</div>

<div>although i can imagine a word that would mean</div><div>broda =3D x1 i=
s a brivla belonging to semantic class x2</div><div>and broda2 would be sim=
ilar to cmavo2.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><b=
r>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-04-13 23:12 GMT+04:00 Wuzzy <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:almikes@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">almikes@aol.com=
</a>&gt;</span>:<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

You proposed:<br>
<div>&gt; cmavo<br>
&gt; x1 is a structure word of grammatical class x2 (la&#39;e zo), with<br>
&gt; meaning/function x3 in usage (language) x4.<br>
</div>(etc. etc. etc.)<br>
<br>
Okay, I have some small questions (about clarification) regarding the<br>
proposal.<br>
<br>
In your proposal, which words are allowed to fill x2?<br>
<br>
Take the selma&#39;o =E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D for example: This selma&#39;o has =
the words =E2=80=9C.a=E2=80=9D,<br>
=E2=80=9C.e=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9C.o=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9C.u=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=
=9Cje=E2=80=9D. Which word is allowed to fill x2? Just<br>
=E2=80=9Ca=E2=80=9D (=E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D simply lower-cased) or any word of=
 the selma&#39;o A? So that for<br>
example =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo la&#39;e zo .e=E2=80=9D would be valid.<br>
<br>
Would your proposal /only/ permit the usage of the =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo la&=
#39;e zo<br>
.a=E2=80=9D form? Would the form =E2=80=9Czo .a cmavo lo cmavrxavo=E2=80=9D=
 be still permitted<br>
or is that out-ruled? Which other forms would be permitted (if any)?<br>
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