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Subject: [lojban] Several "by standard" places are strange.
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By looking at "by standard" places I noticed some of them that probably
should have been "in property" places.

E.g. I'm sure that juxre2 is "in property" like {mi juxre lo ka cadzu}.
However, I'm not sure about nanla3, nixli3, verba3.

lanzu3 also uses "by standard" gloss which is quite different from most
other "by standard" places so may be a better gloss needed to avoid
confusion?

The following is the list of gismu that seem problematic to me:
*gismu | current definition | proposed definition*
clira | x1 is early by standard x2 | x1 is early in property x2 (ka)
jetnu | x1 is true by standard x2 | x1 is false by epistemology x2
jitfa | x1 is false by standard or epistemology x2 | x1 is false by
epistemology x2
juxre | x1 is clumsy by standard x2 | x1 is clumsy in x2 (ka)
kanro | x1 is healthy or well by standard x2 | x1 is healthy or well in
property x2
lanzu | x1 is a family including x2 bonded by standard x3 ???
lerci | x1 is late by standard x2 | x1 is late in property x2 (ka)
mapti | x1 is compatible with or matches x2 by standard x3 |  in property
x3 (ka)
mintu | x1 is identical to x2 by standard x3 |  in property x3 (ka)
nanla | x1 is a boy of age x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
nixli | x1 is a girl of age x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
nobli | x1 is noble by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
palci | x1 is wicked or evil by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
plana | x1 is fat or obese by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
racli | x1 is rational or sane by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
smaji | x1 is quiet at observation point x2 by standard x3 | in property x3
(ka)
tilju | x1 is heavy or massive by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
verba | x1 is a child aged x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
vrude | x1 is virtuous by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
xadba | x1 is half of x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
xamgu | x1 is good for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
xlali | x1 is bad for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>By looking at &quot;by standard&quot; places I notice=
d some of them that probably should have been &quot;in property&quot; place=
s.</div><div><br></div><div>E.g. I&#39;m sure that juxre2 is &quot;in prope=
rty&quot; like {mi juxre lo ka cadzu}. However, I&#39;m not sure about nanl=
a3, nixli3, verba3.</div>
<div><br></div><div>lanzu3 also uses &quot;by standard&quot; gloss which is=
 quite different from most other &quot;by standard&quot; places so may be a=
 better gloss needed to avoid confusion?</div><div><br></div><div>The follo=
wing is the list of gismu that seem problematic to me:</div>
<div><b>gismu | current definition | proposed definition</b><div>clira | x1=
 is early by standard x2 | x1 is early in property x2 (ka)</div><div>jetnu =
| x1 is true by standard x2 | x1 is false by epistemology x2</div><div>
jitfa | x1 is false by standard or epistemology x2 | x1 is false by epistem=
ology x2</div><div>juxre | x1 is clumsy by standard x2 | x1 is clumsy in x2=
 (ka)</div><div>kanro | x1 is healthy or well by standard x2 | x1 is health=
y or well in property x2</div>
<div>lanzu | x1 is a family including x2 bonded by standard x3 ???</div><di=
v>lerci | x1 is late by standard x2 | x1 is late in property x2 (ka)</div><=
div>mapti | x1 is compatible with or matches x2 by standard x3 | =C2=A0in p=
roperty x3 (ka)</div>
<div>mintu | x1 is identical to x2 by standard x3 | =C2=A0in property x3 (k=
a)</div><div>nanla | x1 is a boy of age x2 immature by standard x3 | in pro=
perty x3 (ka)</div><div>nixli | x1 is a girl of age x2 immature by standard=
 x3 | in property x3 (ka)</div>
<div>nobli | x1 is noble by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)</div><div>pal=
ci | x1 is wicked or evil by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)</div><div>pl=
ana | x1 is fat or obese by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)</div><div>
racli | x1 is rational or sane by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)</div><d=
iv>smaji | x1 is quiet at observation point x2 by standard x3 | in property=
 x3 (ka)</div><div>tilju | x1 is heavy or massive by standard x2 | in prope=
rty x2 (ka)</div>
<div>verba | x1 is a child aged x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3=
 (ka)</div><div>vrude | x1 is virtuous by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)=
</div><div>xadba | x1 is half of x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)</d=
iv>
<div>xamgu | x1 is good for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)</div><d=
iv>xlali | x1 is bad for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)</div></div=
><div><br></div></div>

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