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Subject: [lojban] Re: Several "by standard" places are strange.
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never mind, juxre1 is action.


2014-04-16 16:49 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:

> By looking at "by standard" places I noticed some of them that probably
> should have been "in property" places.
>
> E.g. I'm sure that juxre2 is "in property" like {mi juxre lo ka cadzu}.
> However, I'm not sure about nanla3, nixli3, verba3.
>
> lanzu3 also uses "by standard" gloss which is quite different from most
> other "by standard" places so may be a better gloss needed to avoid
> confusion?
>
> The following is the list of gismu that seem problematic to me:
> *gismu | current definition | proposed definition*
> clira | x1 is early by standard x2 | x1 is early in property x2 (ka)
> jetnu | x1 is true by standard x2 | x1 is false by epistemology x2
> jitfa | x1 is false by standard or epistemology x2 | x1 is false by
> epistemology x2
> juxre | x1 is clumsy by standard x2 | x1 is clumsy in x2 (ka)
> kanro | x1 is healthy or well by standard x2 | x1 is healthy or well in
> property x2
> lanzu | x1 is a family including x2 bonded by standard x3 ???
> lerci | x1 is late by standard x2 | x1 is late in property x2 (ka)
> mapti | x1 is compatible with or matches x2 by standard x3 |  in property
> x3 (ka)
> mintu | x1 is identical to x2 by standard x3 |  in property x3 (ka)
> nanla | x1 is a boy of age x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
> nixli | x1 is a girl of age x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3
> (ka)
> nobli | x1 is noble by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
> palci | x1 is wicked or evil by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
> plana | x1 is fat or obese by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
> racli | x1 is rational or sane by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
> smaji | x1 is quiet at observation point x2 by standard x3 | in property
> x3 (ka)
> tilju | x1 is heavy or massive by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
> verba | x1 is a child aged x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
> vrude | x1 is virtuous by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
> xadba | x1 is half of x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
> xamgu | x1 is good for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
> xlali | x1 is bad for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">never mind, juxre1 is action.</div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-04-16 16:49 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arx=
okuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>By looking at &quot;by=
 standard&quot; places I noticed some of them that probably should have bee=
n &quot;in property&quot; places.</div>
<div><br></div><div>E.g. I&#39;m sure that juxre2 is &quot;in property&quot=
; like {mi juxre lo ka cadzu}. However, I&#39;m not sure about nanla3, nixl=
i3, verba3.</div>
<div><br></div><div>lanzu3 also uses &quot;by standard&quot; gloss which is=
 quite different from most other &quot;by standard&quot; places so may be a=
 better gloss needed to avoid confusion?</div><div><br></div><div>The follo=
wing is the list of gismu that seem problematic to me:</div>

<div><b>gismu | current definition | proposed definition</b><div>clira | x1=
 is early by standard x2 | x1 is early in property x2 (ka)</div><div>jetnu =
| x1 is true by standard x2 | x1 is false by epistemology x2</div><div>

jitfa | x1 is false by standard or epistemology x2 | x1 is false by epistem=
ology x2</div><div>juxre | x1 is clumsy by standard x2 | x1 is clumsy in x2=
 (ka)</div><div>kanro | x1 is healthy or well by standard x2 | x1 is health=
y or well in property x2</div>

<div>lanzu | x1 is a family including x2 bonded by standard x3 ???</div><di=
v>lerci | x1 is late by standard x2 | x1 is late in property x2 (ka)</div><=
div>mapti | x1 is compatible with or matches x2 by standard x3 | =C2=A0in p=
roperty x3 (ka)</div>

<div>mintu | x1 is identical to x2 by standard x3 | =C2=A0in property x3 (k=
a)</div><div>nanla | x1 is a boy of age x2 immature by standard x3 | in pro=
perty x3 (ka)</div><div>nixli | x1 is a girl of age x2 immature by standard=
 x3 | in property x3 (ka)</div>

<div>nobli | x1 is noble by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)</div><div>pal=
ci | x1 is wicked or evil by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)</div><div>pl=
ana | x1 is fat or obese by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)</div><div>

racli | x1 is rational or sane by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)</div><d=
iv>smaji | x1 is quiet at observation point x2 by standard x3 | in property=
 x3 (ka)</div><div>tilju | x1 is heavy or massive by standard x2 | in prope=
rty x2 (ka)</div>

<div>verba | x1 is a child aged x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3=
 (ka)</div><div>vrude | x1 is virtuous by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)=
</div><div>xadba | x1 is half of x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)</d=
iv>

<div>xamgu | x1 is good for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)</div><d=
iv>xlali | x1 is bad for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)</div></div=
><div><br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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