Received: from mail-wg0-f55.google.com ([74.125.82.55]:46304) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WaVEg-0002nu-Jz for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:11:21 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f55.google.com with SMTP id n12sf892861wgh.10 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:10:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=PlMFdwAcM38gHGRrq8XEhF7lftzW2WoKfSbNveoHstM=; b=BrqhxpOPDS7PA1g+3T6avXAkc6OK4AYWPNK61Tskmy4SrE7636NxUk6/AYlVHF4T5w 30yRZzGAaOMEr738Fxn3pG0BAtSHQSfo9UnBHTZ0OR/QDjp31CcjR3y2dBOXVB2ADKH9 Nx8EOjYxY/iraY/OdVCyampn/YUd9UT2OM1Jbu4eLfIwzUodAjtz2JUeborlU0+tX5aN 4EeiHhU7/xnycOjZYwIwspMbarnNeex3gpE0nwtU/Dc661umUFScGQavODZ7QbMeYhng /KYDhpbeQGew7WxwXSfv9yOcclHI051ARniRI4Kxjncl7GNbCOtmOloJvsVzZs8RQU/c Fmiw== X-Received: by 10.152.202.231 with SMTP id kl7mr116120lac.3.1397675459260; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.234.35 with SMTP id ub3ls181712lac.63.gmail; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.39.98 with SMTP id o2mr524834lbk.18.1397675458580; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22d.google.com (mail-wg0-x22d.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13si3117wiw.1.2014.04.16.12.10.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d; Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id l18so11234183wgh.4 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.105.72 with SMTP id gk8mr10970498wib.32.1397675458418; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2368f1c8-1a70-4dfc-b657-a17ec590ba02@googlegroups.com> References: <2368f1c8-1a70-4dfc-b657-a17ec590ba02@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 23:10:58 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Imperative mi'o? From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442685a35e05404f72dad2e X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0442685a35e05404f72dad2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 {doi mi'o ko klama} as la .aionys. just suggested or {mi'o ko'oi klama}. {mi'o e'u klama} is what you would probably choose. {e'u} is more specific than {ko'oi}. {ko'oi} is generic an imperative/hortative attitudinal and covers not only commands, but suggestions, desire, hope, obligation, permission. 2014-04-16 20:37 GMT+04:00 : > Say you were at a dinner with some Lojbanic friends. You and your > significant other must leave early for whatever reason. You want to look > at him/her and say "mi'o klama" so that all listening know that you mean > just yourself and your partner. But at the same time, you want it to come > across as an imperative "ko klama". > > How would you handle this? mi'oko? Can you make personal sumka'i other > than "do" imperative? (eg: do'oko, ma'ako etc?) > > Or would you just decide that it's foolish to take the imperative with > your significant other and instead say ".e'o mi'o klama"? > > .i'o ki'e rodo > > mu'o mi'e neit > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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{doi mi'o ko klama} as la .aionys. just suggested or {= mi'o ko'oi klama}.

{mi'o e'u klama} is w= hat you would probably choose.
{e'u} is more specific than {k= o'oi}.

{ko'oi} is generic an imperative/hortative attitudi= nal and covers not only commands, but suggestions, desire, hope, obligation= , permission.


2014-04-16 20:37 GMT+04:00 <kosmikconundrum@gmail.com>:
Say you were at a dinner with some Lojbanic friends.= =C2=A0 You and your significant other must leave early for whatever reason.= =C2=A0 You want to look at him/her and say "mi'o klama" so th= at all listening know that you mean just yourself and your partner.=C2=A0 B= ut at the same time, you want it to come across as an imperative "ko k= lama".
=C2=A0
How would you handle this?=C2=A0 mi'oko?=C2=A0 Can you make person= al sumka'i other than "do" imperative?=C2=A0 (eg: do'oko,= ma'ako etc?)
=C2=A0
Or would you just decide that=C2=A0it's foolish to take the impera= tive with your significant other and instead say ".e'o mi'o kl= ama"?
=C2=A0
.i'o ki'e rodo
=C2=A0
mu'o mi'e neit

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