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Actually I'm a little confused about that. How can {ko'oi} be so broad if {= ko} =3D {do ko'oi} as per the ko'oi proposed definition? Is {ko} also that = broad?=20 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > {doi mi'o ko klama} as la .aionys. just suggested or {mi'o ko'oi klama}. >=20 > {mi'o e'u klama} is what you would probably choose. > {e'u} is more specific than {ko'oi}. >=20 > {ko'oi} is generic an imperative/hortative attitudinal and covers not onl= y commands, but suggestions, desire, hope, obligation, permission. >=20 >=20 > 2014-04-16 20:37 GMT+04:00 : > > Say you were at a dinner with some Lojbanic friends. You and your sign= ificant other must leave early for whatever reason. You want to look at hi= m/her and say "mi'o klama" so that all listening know that you mean just yo= urself and your partner. But at the same time, you want it to come across = as an imperative "ko klama".=20 > > =20 > > How would you handle this? mi'oko? Can you make personal sumka'i othe= r than "do" imperative? 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{ko'oi} is g= eneric an imperative/hortative attitudinal and covers not only commands, bu= t suggestions, desire, hope, obligation, permission.
Actually I'm a little confused about that. How can {ko'oi} be so broad if = {ko} =3D {do ko'oi} as per the ko'oi proposed definition? Is {ko} also that= broad? 
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On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 a= t 3:10 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:

{doi mi'o ko klama} as= la .aionys. just suggested or {mi'o ko'oi klama}.

{mi'o= e'u klama} is what you would probably choose.
{e'u} is more spec= ific than {ko'oi}.

{ko'oi} is generic an imperative/hortative attitudinal = and covers not only commands, but suggestions, desire, hope, obligation, pe= rmission.


2014-04-16 20:37 GMT+04:00 <kosmikconundrum@gmail.com>:
Say you were at a dinner with some Lojbanic friends.&= nbsp; You and your significant other must leave early for whatever reason.&= nbsp; You want to look at him/her and say "mi'o klama" so that all listenin= g know that you mean just yourself and your partner.  But at the same = time, you want it to come across as an imperative "ko klama".
 
How would you handle this?  mi'oko?  Can you make personal s= umka'i other than "do" imperative?  (eg: do'oko, ma'ako etc?)
 
Or would you just decide that it's foolish to take the imperative= with your significant other and instead say ".e'o mi'o klama"?
 
.i'o ki'e rodo
 
mu'o mi'e neit

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