Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:21:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Riley Martinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] jbovlaste, vlatai, camxes and morphology
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A couple of issues (#26 <https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/26>, #37<https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/37>) 
have been recently raised against jbovlaste which can be traced to 
"vlatai", a tool which is used to verify and classify the morphology of new 
words. vlatai is a tool which is built as part of jbofi'e<https://github.com/lojban/jbofihe>: 
Accordingly it has not been substantially updated for some time, and is 
known to exhibit bugs, including failing to parse some valid words.

One suggestion has been to replace vlatai with camxes. I've taken some 
initial steps in that direction, but need some help verifying what the 
correct behavior should be for the cases where camxes and jbofi'e return 
different results.

I ran all of the words in jbovlaste through camxes and filed issues #38<https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/38>, 
#39 <https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/39>, #40<https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/40>and 
#41 <https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/41> to record issues 
encountered with (respectively) cmavo, cmene, fu'ivla and lujvo. I will 
include a few examples:

   - camxes parses {y} as "initialSpaces", but it is considered a cmavo in 
   jbovlaste.
   - camxes doesn't parse {bu} compounds like {denpa bu} as cmavo
   - {ybu} is a "cmavo cluster" in jbovlaste but a single cmavo per camxes
   - {aierne} is a fu'ivla in jbovlaste but a "cmavo + fu'ivla" per camxes
   - {selda'ergau} is a fu'ivla in jbovlaste but a lujvo per camxes
   - {zei} compounds aren't recognized as lujvo by camxes (nor in vlatai: 
   jbovlaste has a workaround)

If you can offer verifications or corrections for any of these issues, 
please respond here or add comments to the issues in github.

I'd also like to know if there's consensus on which is more correct or 
current: "cmavo cluster" (jbovlaste) or "compound cmavo" (CLL), or if 
there's a distinction between these terms.

Thank you!

--Riley
mi'e la mukti mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>A couple of issues (<a href=3D"https://github.com/loj=
ban/jbovlaste/issues/26">#26</a>, <a href=3D"https://github.com/lojban/jbov=
laste/issues/37">#37</a>) have been recently raised against jbovlaste which=
 can be traced to "vlatai", a tool which is used to verify and classify the=
 morphology of new words. vlatai is a tool which is built as part of&nbsp;<=
a href=3D"https://github.com/lojban/jbofihe">jbofi'e</a>: Accordingly it ha=
s not been substantially updated for some time, and is known to exhibit bug=
s, including failing to parse some valid words.</div><div><br></div><div>On=
e suggestion has been to replace vlatai with camxes. I've taken some initia=
l steps in that direction, but need some help verifying what the correct be=
havior should be for the cases where camxes and jbofi'e return different re=
sults.</div><div><br></div><div>I ran all of the words in jbovlaste through=
 camxes and filed issues <a href=3D"https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/iss=
ues/38">#38</a>, <a href=3D"https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/39">=
#39</a>, <a href=3D"https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/40">#40</a> =
and <a href=3D"https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/41">#41</a>&nbsp;=
to record issues encountered with (respectively) cmavo, cmene, fu'ivla and =
lujvo. I will include a few examples:</div><div><ul><li>camxes parses {y} a=
s "initialSpaces", but it is considered a cmavo in jbovlaste.<br></li><li>c=
amxes doesn't parse {bu} compounds like {denpa bu} as cmavo</li><li>{ybu} i=
s a "cmavo cluster" in jbovlaste but a single cmavo per camxes</li><li><spa=
n style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Helvetica, arial, freesans,=
 clean, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23.799999237060547px;">{a=
ierne} is a fu'ivla in jbovlaste but a "cmavo + fu'ivla" per camxes</span><=
br></li><li><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Helvetica, =
arial, freesans, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23.799999=
237060547px;">{selda'ergau} is a fu'ivla in jbovlaste but a lujvo per camxe=
s<br></span></li><li><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: He=
lvetica, arial, freesans, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: =
23.799999237060547px;">{zei} compounds aren't recognized as lujvo by camxes=
 (nor in vlatai: jbovlaste has a workaround)</span></li></ul></div><div>If =
you can offer verifications or corrections for any of these issues, please =
respond here or add comments to the issues in github.</div><div><br></div><=
div>I'd also like to know if there's consensus on which is more correct or =
current: "cmavo cluster" (jbovlaste) or "compound cmavo" (CLL), or if there=
's a distinction between these terms.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you!</=
div><div><br></div><div>--Riley</div><div>mi'e la mukti mu'o</div></div>

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