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[107.14.166.227]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ga1si2967798qcb.0.2014.04.18.13.02.11 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 107.14.166.227 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=107.14.166.227; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:37792] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id FD/E1-30401-3C481535; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:02:11 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F561618 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:02:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] jbovlaste, vlatai, camxes and morphology Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:02:07 -0400 Message-ID: <13984367.u1Kb4RWiJs@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-60-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 107.14.166.227 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday, April 18, 2014 15:15:03 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch > > - {aierne} is a fu'ivla in jbovlaste but a "cmavo + fu'ivla" per cam= xes > >=20 > > Yes, camxes considers i/u in iV uV to be semi-consonants and does not >=20 > require a pause in front of them, so ".aierne" breaks up into two words, > just as "caierne" does. The fix for that is "ai'erne". The ve fu'ivla has an initial /h/. Other words affected by camxes: "tarksako" (dandelion) -> "tarsako" or "traksako" "kriofla" (cloves) -> "kriiofla" "fasxolarkto" (koala) -> "fasxolarto". The latter was actually my original= =20 proposal, but Nick prefers the version with "k" because he can see the Gree= k=20 word for "bear" in it. Without the "k", the bear turns to bread. "martio", "prilio", "madjio", "djunio", and "djulio" are all valid, but a b= ug=20 in vlatai calls them invalid because they differ by one apostrophe from luj= vo. "damskrima" (badly formed word for "fencing", the sport) is valid, but anot= her=20 bug in vlatai calls it invalid. Better forms are "dambrskrima" and "eskrima= ". "mliau" (meow) is affected by whether triphthongs are allowed. If they are,= =20 it's invalid because it has only one syllable. If they aren't, it's "mli,au= ". 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