Received: from mail-pb0-f63.google.com ([209.85.160.63]:36125) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WbJQ1-0001W3-6N for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:46:18 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f63.google.com with SMTP id up15sf506011pbc.18 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=k4sz3zFI8FOmRicavGG2Cx24ph0GM4gib7SzuOhDrCA=; b=hNiUhT0xdPf9SkWOgeB5ZlOy3bjA2cTi7EaeVV0+BehgFfpgQjpsNlTne/i/zYStjW LOaxicy4z3s5uvrQcfGc4o2RX90tyFuEtfPArVJ4san7aAUxOPLx9P5LXYmGADKjmwtE QzoIlIIsVmnlj7JbeTHNlfSDrpSq/U6/9wKWeV/dTJzlxV8EKS9GvQFvCRPi5MxaHIyG oa3WFN71T1KaZRMxddD1+43lF2sJxzfJVVwGboqov5aXvJKVw39rbnHj6PVVKqay31W1 KUW23gjlWR6eZfP71O/8xXFaGUekYTxuyz6K59jmGg7b9DIAqhhDRQglDdD7YFa9F/IN 3Osg== X-Received: by 10.140.95.112 with SMTP id h103mr236822qge.4.1397868363048; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.42.20 with SMTP id b20ls1675861qga.5.gmail; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:46:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.36.137 with SMTP id t9mr10157049qad.4.1397868362720; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com. [64.12.143.86]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si3239536qcq.3.2014.04.18.17.46.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of almikes@aol.com designates 64.12.143.86 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.12.143.86; Received: from mtaout-mbe01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mbe01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.173]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 93CCF70242A57 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (p549FAFAF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.159.175.175]) by mtaout-mbe01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 4A97A380000BF for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:45:54 +0200 From: Wuzzy To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] jbovlaste, vlatai, camxes and morphology Message-ID: <20140419024554.302387e6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afead5351c7494085 X-AOL-IP: 84.159.175.175 X-Original-Sender: almikes@aol.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of almikes@aol.com designates 64.12.143.86 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=almikes@aol.com; dkim=pass header.i=@mx.aol.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Am Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:08:36 -0300 schrieb Jorge Llamb=EDas : > The issues with cmevla and fu'ivla have to do with which syllables are > considered acceptable in Lojban words. CLL is not completely clear on > that, and that's why different parsers went with different things. Wow. If this is true, then things are seriously messed up in Lojban. The morphology is a core part of the language. And that part is not well defined? I never really noticed that but I fear this is actually true. Seriously, this sucks. I think a revision of the CLL is badly needed. If there is no formalization, parsers are doomed to give different or nonsensical results. If parsers are doomed to give such results, the issues for jbovlaste can not be fixed. But then this means the bug does neither lie in jbovlaste, nor in vlatai nor in camxes. The bug appears to be actually in Lojban itself. Seriously, I hate to type this, but: This is messed up. :-( --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.