Received: from mail-fa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.161.59]:48660) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WbYX5-0006df-O9 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:54:36 -0700 Received: by mail-fa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id m10sf229578fae.14 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:54:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=uAi0wdhSwSh+ZpzhDffVHcq5GPio/wRYv++j9XunLdk=; b=O7iY1q/X62SjkTRc6SC9uZeG/ihgo+F4/CChrzWRri4xuzlfHhlTL7Ak/JfIA6GXfF zPy0A4bDg/pnvfGsUl3DRE/7OoLtc72KGm03N2oc/V1C6sdxUNSSn4Yo22MVoL49JKfx 8Ter+lZnjE6dv+6S9PtLhKeVYbLy6dBfR6cLZ2cHWvX141Ddf/xkQdWrG+BwV2QUIcpf +gn8VDJ1UcMu/oqYi3M3C1oLRl0vWmEdX/Gdye31/R0agDSRN7f/tnh7+pxzlgPOiJ0z JPK+/iLhpSYd9oRZnhdXnEOXAdLdzOi+YgO6j8NepcYIIOkbgUQf094dVxszjOojRMnj IEqg== X-Received: by 10.180.109.161 with SMTP id ht1mr46011wib.6.1397926460411; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.98.39 with SMTP id ef7ls197977wib.46.canary; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.78.101 with SMTP id a5mr642278wix.7.1397926459620; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dd12116.kasserver.com (dd12116.kasserver.com. [85.13.134.113]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u49si1845839eeo.1.2014.04.19.09.54.19 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.134.113 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.134.113; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc2788.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.39.136]) by dd12116.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CA89824C45BC for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 18:54:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 18:54:18 +0200 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] ti'enai Message-ID: <20140419165418.GA9151@samsa.fritz.box> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.134.113 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 05:53:17PM +0400, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > can {ti'enai} be defined? What would be the difference from {ba'anai}? What would be the similarity? The scale of {ba'a} always refers to an experience. Either in the expected future, the present or the past. {ti'e} on the other hand tags an utterance as hearsay, possibly with a focus on the uncertain truth value of the statement. {ti'enai} then implies "grounded" knowledge pe'i. So (pe'i) it would be reasonable to say {ti'enai li pa li pa te sumji li re}, whereas the same sentence tagged with {ba'anai} sounds weird. v4hn --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTUqo6AAoJEKCfEUk/PuMmw+wQAMlxYkwDuMq/sav/4v5/CilO BAUj0nFZ02uQEt2b/nW+6QGqqhjJvkZNiT+sBTTiITy23Whf3gmeyaJsu+nUVHPD 7ZcohprbBL/LmUbU61gIeRFBhMDmvKgyYA3O50849VQpljANDJd3Syl84tK05Kzd gb3f1fb+Rw7XCNetu5QFEMazBBy3rLZ7I9kS9Yo8PUYvj6WuQ868I3TqcnEm92kN p8hGCcCZ7qMUiRWJDORPyq38IcgiZ1DOiXQFuRQyQXtAd3YgsbzHBZpxgu3kaOSK 9S6ZK523BfXe6g19F+gJlJxCwxej5LJCACkOeGJLOA+VXnmpbFouBVgNbso5X1tS oIa4iWVDGhkA+rgP+sjZR3UN8RAZaR7wV6B67Tf+TlM9Flt3vDIIOPprB61dgEoo 7jRk4LoAjURiUTNyKyT+OTpBJjPLxKQkeBXRfUfahgyQ5mbxCA/OKWijgN3OiJdM /xW4JxZdvOknzNYqjqhxY28mJhnekMgVKOcBXTg+aziED7lo1FyxlAt/v3I+Frqh pjVrpsx8jHPXpbmyAl6dwOyE3JiGdmzDse5RTO8Etj95y1J5XbN7A6mNRV+QuXiV KNjLp+hx0BCDwORM3Z5MoFjWhdKlf6Xd2UjZ6KcfUhy0883qBpZdCEQvNasrj5Lk 4E1k0oMaOvOoGBWrSlKt =Yd6W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6--