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Subject: Re: [lojban] jbovlaste, vlatai, camxes and morphology
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2014-04-19 4:45 GMT+04:00 Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com>:

> Am Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:08:36 -0300
> schrieb Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>
> > The issues with cmevla and fu'ivla have to do with which syllables are
> > considered acceptable in Lojban words. CLL is not completely clear on
> > that, and that's why different parsers went with different things.
> Wow. If this is true, then things are seriously messed up in Lojban. The
> morphology is a core part of the language. And that part is not well
> defined? I never really noticed that but I fear this is actually true.
> Seriously, this sucks. I think a revision of the CLL is badly
> needed.
>

The point is that camxes was indeed a major change in the language but it
hadnt much to do with CLL that's why few mention it when speaking about
changes in lojban.

however, i wonder why {relmast} is no longer valid. How can it even break
self-segregation?


> If there is no formalization, parsers are doomed to give different
> or nonsensical results. If parsers are doomed to give such
> results, the issues for jbovlaste can not be fixed. But then this means
> the bug does neither lie in jbovlaste, nor in vlatai nor in camxes. The
> bug appears to be actually in Lojban itself. Seriously, I hate to type
> this, but: This is messed up. :-(
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">2014-04-19 4:45 GMT+04:00 Wuzzy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:almikes@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">almikes@aol.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Am Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:08:36 -0300<br>
schrieb Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjl=
lambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div class=3D""><br>
&gt; The issues with cmevla and fu&#39;ivla have to do with which syllables=
 are<br>
&gt; considered acceptable in Lojban words. CLL is not completely clear on<=
br>
&gt; that, and that&#39;s why different parsers went with different things.=
<br>
</div>Wow. If this is true, then things are seriously messed up in Lojban. =
The<br>
morphology is a core part of the language. And that part is not well<br>
defined? I never really noticed that but I fear this is actually true.<br>
Seriously, this sucks. I think a revision of the CLL is badly<br>
needed.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The point is that camxes was in=
deed a major change in the language but it hadnt much to do with CLL that&#=
39;s why few mention it when speaking about changes in lojban.</div><div>
<br></div><div>however, i wonder why {relmast} is no longer valid. How can =
it even break self-segregation?<br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>

<br>
If there is no formalization, parsers are doomed to give different<br>
or nonsensical results. If parsers are doomed to give such<br>
results, the issues for jbovlaste can not be fixed. But then this means<br>
the bug does neither lie in jbovlaste, nor in vlatai nor in camxes. The<br>
bug appears to be actually in Lojban itself. Seriously, I hate to type<br>
this, but: This is messed up. :-(<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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