Received: from mail-qa0-f62.google.com ([209.85.216.62]:36497) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WbZXs-0007Mo-8w for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:59:32 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f62.google.com with SMTP id k15sf702184qaq.7 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:59:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=I4UvsM+MF/DYm7VkoNdsamClR0HH4AqR/lv2e/r1tx4=; b=coGpfBpB6Wcu38PVi7z91xpSQedpchgOIAhE38idyACF9kBc355TNuGQ/xdUD1kIkm cpFhLvSMBJMvKvViGvenKGNVgOO+N4ry6/ST3b+SWFV67Yem17pmtt1t7QePNR95O92n n1UzdEeQZa+ZFXH1yYXZp1k6Ynod3pawtTT1WJYOWhoLty9y8Jw7T6WCYBXqkr2jrFo0 Sz3E7EZii55j8QetJY+wcky1RuFJY5aVnyNdZn5MjFV895cwGMBjRcWWnalJLKLp5jef bclfcfXbgFoH8bxPM0zKcSaIMxt8a2XdL7u5xUs8z/0F6xVUvkfMeViYFY65aODxEJvd S9HA== X-Received: by 10.50.44.98 with SMTP id d2mr263132igm.9.1397930354005; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.43.135 with SMTP id w7ls793783igl.14.canary; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.189.163 with SMTP id gj3mr13859544pac.32.1397930353640; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x230.google.com (mail-ve0-x230.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c01::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d8si7556945vdv.2.2014.04.19.10.59.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c01::230; Received: by mail-ve0-x230.google.com with SMTP id db11so5013912veb.7 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.123.71 with SMTP id ly7mr24521907veb.11.1397930353530; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.73 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140419024554.302387e6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:59:13 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] jbovlaste, vlatai, camxes and morphology From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0115f0a2249d8304f76906a0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0115f0a2249d8304f76906a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > The point is that camxes was indeed a major change in the language but it > hadnt much to do with CLL that's why few mention it when speaking about > changes in lojban. > > "not much to do with CLL" is something of an exaggeration... It only deviates from CLL in relatively marginal or doubtful cases. > however, i wonder why {relmast} is no longer valid. How can it even break > self-segregation? > It's because of the final double consonant -st, not because it breaks self-segregation. The current version of the morphology will accept almost anything for cmevla, so probably the test was done with an older more strict version. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e0115f0a2249d8304f76906a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Gleki Arxokuna &= lt;gleki.is= .my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


Th= e point is that camxes was indeed a major change in the language but it had= nt much to do with CLL that's why few mention it when speaking about ch= anges in lojban.


"not much= to do with CLL" is something of an exaggeration... It only deviates f= rom CLL in relatively marginal or doubtful cases.

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however, i wond= er why {relmast} is no longer valid. How can it even break self-segregation= ?

It's because o= f the final double consonant -st, not because it breaks self-segregation. T= he current version of the morphology will accept almost anything for cmevla= , so probably the test was done with an older more strict version.=C2=A0

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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