Received: from mail-ie0-f187.google.com ([209.85.223.187]:54777) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WbjJo-0001HH-2t for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 21:25:38 -0700 Received: by mail-ie0-f187.google.com with SMTP id lx4sf794522iec.24 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LJeSD43myucmeBki7Shlp63rNp7t3fy1DTACPONb+wU=; b=oV3M7MqkZ1clpyuj1xE04yjLZsRWrzrOkmq9souG0alqxiNZ/0ErAIhnnbANLtozvJ 657Tx/swQgo9YzUwxMRjtj3HjC/Ah7Mz4L4frj5qic273yDy9IFpsJwNHc+5V4nrZC2L nDG6Q08PgI1v8Do3Y2z1vBI0DEI+idIu+I52FmxrDHdfkGwSf6YbQE6zgInFSFDSBAdp tZ3Hz8jbbyeN8uS+M7w1n5bNwefN+8PPTafkeVkkoUssa6Yv/jGXru7+L7Oj2a6reG19 wjzk45vbKar7cVNjSrQ6cdyKCBy+hfBifF8F9yaGCbTyEIkvZfKgyX/Q6DIP6EdPOZuH ia/w== X-Received: by 10.140.108.132 with SMTP id j4mr101382qgf.1.1397967921856; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.109.182 with SMTP id l51ls1127040qgf.33.gmail; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.141.200 with SMTP id rq8mr15695711veb.31.1397967921546; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ga1si4521134qcb.0.2014.04.19.21.25.21 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 107.14.166.231 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=107.14.166.231; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:43802] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 7D/F1-30401-13C43535; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 04:25:21 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id C484A3181 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 00:25:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban and learning disabilities Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 00:25:16 -0400 Message-ID: <4650242.2MROTDgA9P@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-60-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 107.14.166.231 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Saturday, April 19, 2014 09:04:27 shanoxilt wrote: > http://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/22b72j/accessibility_and_language_ > learning/cgvx0m6 > It would be really neat for Lojban to come up with sign language and > braille, or use existing braille or sign language alphabets and modify > the lessons to be for learning Lojban. Unfortunately, I can't say for sure > how difficult it would be and how well that would work for those who would > use it. Writing Lojban in simple Braille is trivial. Higher-order Brailles depend on letter cluster frequency and should be doable. "Lojban sign language" doesn't make sense. Sign languages are just other languages. American Sign Language is more closely related to French Sign Language than to British Sign Language, although American English is more closely related to British English than to French. You may be interested in "Where are your keys?". Get in touch with Alan Post at lodockikumazvati.org ("lo do ckiku ma zvati" is Lojban for "where are your keys"). He did a demo with us at jbonunsla a couple of years ago. We sat around a table with a book, a pen, and a few other objects and said things like "mi dunda le cukta do", "la .alyn. ponse le cukta", and "ti penbi" while acting them out. Pierre -- ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.