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Subject: Re: [lojban] ti'enai
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On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>   Conversely, couldn't   "ti'enai" mean "I haven't heard" ?
>
> "xu do ba zvati lo nu la djorj  la keit co'a speni"
> "ti'enai la'e se go'i" (="no da jungau mi lo du'u la'e se go'i")
>
> I guess we would have to examine all the other evidentials, and see
whether EVIDENTIAL+nai usually means "my evidence for this is of the kind
opposite to EVIDENTIAL", or whether it means "I lack evidence of the kind
EVIDENTIAL for this". There are only two other evidentials that have a -nai
defined (ba'a and su'a) and both seem to go with the first approach. For
the rest of them no definition is offered, probably because no obvious
opposite kind was found.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Conversely, couldn&#=
39;t =C2=A0 &quot;ti&#39;enai&quot; mean &quot;I haven&#39;t heard&quot; ?<=
div><br><div>
&quot;xu do ba zvati lo nu la djorj =C2=A0la keit co&#39;a speni&quot;</div=
></div><div>&quot;ti&#39;enai la&#39;e se go&#39;i&quot; (=3D&quot;no da ju=
ngau mi lo du&#39;u la&#39;e se go&#39;i&quot;)</div>
<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div>I guess we would have to examine all=
 the other evidentials, and see whether EVIDENTIAL+nai usually means &quot;=
my evidence for this is of the kind opposite to EVIDENTIAL&quot;, or whethe=
r it means &quot;I lack evidence of the kind EVIDENTIAL for this&quot;. The=
re are only two other evidentials that have a -nai defined (ba&#39;a and su=
&#39;a) and both seem to go with the first approach. For the rest of them n=
o definition is offered, probably because no obvious opposite kind was foun=
d.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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