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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:18:44 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] ti'enai
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com=
>wrote:

>
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Michael Turniansky <
> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>   Conversely, couldn't   "ti'enai" mean "I haven't heard" ?
>>
>> "xu do ba zvati lo nu la djorj  la keit co'a speni"
>> "ti'enai la'e se go'i" (=3D"no da jungau mi lo du'u la'e se go'i")
>>
>> I guess we would have to examine all the other evidentials, and see
> whether EVIDENTIAL+nai usually means "my evidence for this is of the kind
> opposite to EVIDENTIAL", or whether it means "I lack evidence of the kind
> EVIDENTIAL for this". There are only two other evidentials that have a -n=
ai
> defined (ba'a and su'a) and both seem to go with the first approach. For
> the rest of them no definition is offered, probably because no obvious
> opposite kind was found.
>

Your scenario could actually be a good example for "ba'a cu'i" ("I am
finding out about it right now").

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambi=
as@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"">On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 10:5=
7 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansk=
y@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Conversely, couldn&#=
39;t =C2=A0 &quot;ti&#39;enai&quot; mean &quot;I haven&#39;t heard&quot; ?<=
div><br><div>

&quot;xu do ba zvati lo nu la djorj =C2=A0la keit co&#39;a speni&quot;</div=
></div><div>&quot;ti&#39;enai la&#39;e se go&#39;i&quot; (=3D&quot;no da ju=
ngau mi lo du&#39;u la&#39;e se go&#39;i&quot;)</div>
<div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><div>I guess we would have to exami=
ne all the other evidentials, and see whether EVIDENTIAL+nai usually means =
&quot;my evidence for this is of the kind opposite to EVIDENTIAL&quot;, or =
whether it means &quot;I lack evidence of the kind EVIDENTIAL for this&quot=
;. There are only two other evidentials that have a -nai defined (ba&#39;a =
and su&#39;a) and both seem to go with the first approach. For the rest of =
them no definition is offered, probably because no obvious opposite kind wa=
s found.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Your scenario could actu=
ally be a good example for &quot;ba&#39;a cu&#39;i&quot; (&quot;I am findin=
g out about it right now&quot;).</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e=
 xorxes</div>
<div><br></div></div></div></div>

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