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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban and learning disabilities Message-ID: <20140421013807.GO1826@sunflowerriver.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <4650242.2MROTDgA9P@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4650242.2MROTDgA9P@caracal> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.192.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Spam_score: 2.1 X-Spam_score_int: 21 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:25:16AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday, April 19, 2014 09:04:27 shanoxilt wrote: > > http://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/22b72j/accessibility_and_language_ > > learning/cgvx0m6 > > > It would be really neat for Lojban to come up with sign language and > > braille, or use existing braille or sign language alphabets and modify > > the lessons to be for learning Lojban. Unfortunately, I can't say for sure > > how difficult it would be and how well that would work for those who would > > use it. > > Writing Lojban in simple Braille is trivial. Higher-order Brailles depend on > letter cluster frequency and should be doable. > > "Lojban sign language" doesn't make sense. Sign languages are just other > languages. American Sign Language is more closely related to French Sign > Language than to British Sign Language, although American English is more > closely related to British English than to French. > > You may be interested in "Where are your keys?". Get in touch with Alan Post > at lodockikumazvati.org ("lo do ckiku ma zvati" is Lojban for "where are your > keys"). He did a demo with us at jbonunsla a couple of years ago. We sat > around a table with a book, a pen, and a few other objects and said things > like "mi dunda le cukta do", "la .alyn. ponse le cukta", and "ti penbi" while > acting them out. > [...] Content analysis details: (2.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.4 BUG6152_INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD BUG6152_INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD 0.6 INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD Invalid Date: header (timezone does not exist) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:25:16AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday, April 19, 2014 09:04:27 shanoxilt wrote: > > http://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/22b72j/accessibility_and_language_ > > learning/cgvx0m6 > > > It would be really neat for Lojban to come up with sign language and > > braille, or use existing braille or sign language alphabets and modify > > the lessons to be for learning Lojban. Unfortunately, I can't say for sure > > how difficult it would be and how well that would work for those who would > > use it. > > Writing Lojban in simple Braille is trivial. Higher-order Brailles depend on > letter cluster frequency and should be doable. > > "Lojban sign language" doesn't make sense. Sign languages are just other > languages. American Sign Language is more closely related to French Sign > Language than to British Sign Language, although American English is more > closely related to British English than to French. > > You may be interested in "Where are your keys?". Get in touch with Alan Post > at lodockikumazvati.org ("lo do ckiku ma zvati" is Lojban for "where are your > keys"). He did a demo with us at jbonunsla a couple of years ago. We sat > around a table with a book, a pen, and a few other objects and said things > like "mi dunda le cukta do", "la .alyn. ponse le cukta", and "ti penbi" while > acting them out. > .i ki'e .pier. coi do mi jundi mi'e .alyn. -- my personal website: http://c0redump.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.