Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:42:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: ".neit." <kosmikconundrum@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: Imperative mi'o?
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So I gather the following summary in answer (in no particular order):
 
1)  Specify to whom {ko} refers in the same way you would specify to whom 
{do} refers - using {doi} and it's vocative family
2)  Logically connect the sumti {mi .e ko klama}
3)  Use the experimental {ko'oi} such that {zo ko du lu do ko'oi li'u}
4)  Assign {ko} as though it were an assignable sumka'i using {goi}
 
mi ckire fo lo rodo sidju
 
I tend to prefer #1.  I don't recall reading that {ko} works as an 
assignable sumka'i, so I hesitate to use 4).  I'm still learning the 
language, and I'm teaching my wife and 4 and 7 year-old sons, so as a 
personal preference I'm avoiding the use of experimental valsi until we 
all have a better command of the language, so 3)'s out.  Logical connection 
looks like a good solution and adds the flexability of connectives to 
imperatives {ko .u mi nitcu klama caku} (heh.  ma xe fanva zoi .gy. save 
yourself! .gy. la lojban).  Similarly, assigning {ko} like you would {do} 
seems similarly flexible.  
 
I'll go with 1) and 2), and perhaps expand to 3) later.
 
Thanks again for your answers!
 
mi'e .neit. mu'o

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:37:48 PM UTC-4, .neit. wrote:

>  Say you were at a dinner with some Lojbanic friends.  You and your 
> significant other must leave early for whatever reason.  You want to look 
> at him/her and say "mi'o klama" so that all listening know that you mean 
> just yourself and your partner.  But at the same time, you want it to come 
> across as an imperative "ko klama".
>  
> How would you handle this?  mi'oko?  Can you make personal sumka'i other 
> than "do" imperative?  (eg: do'oko, ma'ako etc?)
>  
> Or would you just decide that it's foolish to take the imperative with 
> your significant other and instead say ".e'o mi'o klama"?
>  
> .i'o ki'e rodo
>  
> mu'o mi'e neit
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><DIV>So I gather the following summary in answer (in no pa=
rticular order):</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1)&nbsp; Specify to whom {ko} refers in the same way you would specify=
 to whom {do} refers - using {doi} and it's vocative family</DIV>
<DIV>2)&nbsp; Logically connect the sumti {mi .e ko klama}</DIV>
<DIV>3)&nbsp; Use the experimental {ko'oi} such that {zo ko&nbsp;du lu do k=
o'oi li'u}</DIV>
<DIV>4)&nbsp; Assign {ko} as though it were an assignable sumka'i using {go=
i}</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>mi ckire fo lo rodo sidju</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I tend to prefer #1.&nbsp; I don't recall reading that {ko} works as a=
n assignable sumka'i, so I hesitate to use 4).&nbsp; I'm still learning the=
 language, and I'm teaching my wife and 4 and 7 year-old sons, so as a pers=
onal preference I'm avoiding the use of experimental valsi until&nbsp;we al=
l&nbsp;have a better command of the language, so 3)'s out.&nbsp; Logical co=
nnection looks like a good solution and adds the flexability of connectives=
 to imperatives {ko .u mi nitcu klama caku} (heh.&nbsp; ma xe fanva zoi .gy=
. save yourself! .gy. la lojban).&nbsp; Similarly, assigning {ko} like you =
would {do} seems similarly flexible.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I'll go with 1) and 2), and perhaps expand to 3) later.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks again for your answers!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>mi'e .neit. mu'o</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:37:48 PM UTC-4, .neit. wrote:</DIV=
>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>Say you were at a dinner with some Lojbanic friends.&nbsp; You and you=
r significant other must leave early for whatever reason.&nbsp; You want to=
 look at him/her and say "mi'o klama" so that all listening know that you m=
ean just yourself and your partner.&nbsp; But at the same time, you want it=
 to come across as an imperative "ko klama".</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>How would you handle this?&nbsp; mi'oko?&nbsp; Can you make personal s=
umka'i other than "do" imperative?&nbsp; (eg: do'oko, ma'ako etc?)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Or would you just decide that&nbsp;it's foolish to take the imperative=
 with your significant other and instead say ".e'o mi'o klama"?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>.i'o ki'e rodo</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>mu'o mi'e neit</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></div>

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