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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Imperative mi'o?
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2014-04-24 19:42 GMT+04:00 .neit. <kosmikconundrum@gmail.com>:

> So I gather the following summary in answer (in no particular order):
>
> 1)  Specify to whom {ko} refers in the same way you would specify to whom
> {do} refers - using {doi} and it's vocative family
> 2)  Logically connect the sumti {mi .e ko klama}
>

I dont think 2) is correct at all. It states that I go, no command towards
me is present.


> 3)  Use the experimental {ko'oi} such that {zo ko du lu do ko'oi li'u}
> 4)  Assign {ko} as though it were an assignable sumka'i using {goi}
>
> mi ckire fo lo rodo sidju
>
> I tend to prefer #1.  I don't recall reading that {ko} works as an
> assignable sumka'i, so I hesitate to use 4).  I'm still learning the
> language, and I'm teaching my wife and 4 and 7 year-old sons, so as a
> personal preference I'm avoiding the use of experimental valsi until we
> all have a better command of the language, so 3)'s out.  Logical connection
> looks like a good solution and adds the flexability of connectives to
> imperatives {ko .u mi nitcu klama caku} (heh.  ma xe fanva zoi .gy. save
> yourself! .gy. la lojban).  Similarly, assigning {ko} like you would {do}
> seems similarly flexible.
>
> I'll go with 1) and 2), and perhaps expand to 3) later.
>
> Thanks again for your answers!
>
> mi'e .neit. mu'o
>
> On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:37:48 PM UTC-4, .neit. wrote:
>
>>  Say you were at a dinner with some Lojbanic friends.  You and your
>> significant other must leave early for whatever reason.  You want to look
>> at him/her and say "mi'o klama" so that all listening know that you mean
>> just yourself and your partner.  But at the same time, you want it to come
>> across as an imperative "ko klama".
>>
>> How would you handle this?  mi'oko?  Can you make personal sumka'i other
>> than "do" imperative?  (eg: do'oko, ma'ako etc?)
>>
>> Or would you just decide that it's foolish to take the imperative with
>> your significant other and instead say ".e'o mi'o klama"?
>>
>> .i'o ki'e rodo
>>
>> mu'o mi'e neit
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">2014-04-24 19:42 GMT+04:00 .neit. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:kosmikconundrum@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kosmikconundrum@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>So I gather the follow=
ing summary in answer (in no particular order):</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>1)=C2=A0 Specify to whom {ko} refers in the same way you would specify=
 to whom {do} refers - using {doi} and it&#39;s vocative family</div>
<div>2)=C2=A0 Logically connect the sumti {mi .e ko klama}</div></div></blo=
ckquote><div><br></div><div>I dont think 2) is correct at all. It states th=
at I go, no command towards me is present.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>3)=C2=A0 Use the experimental {ko&#39;oi} such that {zo ko=C2=A0du lu =
do ko&#39;oi li&#39;u}</div>
<div>4)=C2=A0 Assign {ko} as though it were an assignable sumka&#39;i using=
 {goi}</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>mi ckire fo lo rodo sidju</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>I tend to prefer #1.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t recall reading that {ko} works =
as an assignable sumka&#39;i, so I hesitate to use 4).=C2=A0 I&#39;m still =
learning the language, and I&#39;m teaching my wife and 4 and 7 year-old so=
ns, so as a personal preference I&#39;m avoiding the use of experimental va=
lsi until=C2=A0we all=C2=A0have a better command of the language, so 3)&#39=
;s out.=C2=A0 Logical connection looks like a good solution and adds the fl=
exability of connectives to imperatives {ko .u mi nitcu klama caku} (heh.=
=C2=A0 ma xe fanva zoi .gy. save yourself! .gy. la lojban).=C2=A0 Similarly=
, assigning {ko} like you would {do} seems similarly flexible.=C2=A0 </div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>I&#39;ll go with 1) and 2), and perhaps expand to 3) later.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Thanks again for your answers!</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>mi&#39;e .neit. mu&#39;o</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div><br>On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:37:48 PM UTC-4, .neit. wrote:</div=
>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Say you were at a dinner with some Lojbanic friends.=C2=A0 You and you=
r significant other must leave early for whatever reason.=C2=A0 You want to=
 look at him/her and say &quot;mi&#39;o klama&quot; so that all listening k=
now that you mean just yourself and your partner.=C2=A0 But at the same tim=
e, you want it to come across as an imperative &quot;ko klama&quot;.</div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>How would you handle this?=C2=A0 mi&#39;oko?=C2=A0 Can you make person=
al sumka&#39;i other than &quot;do&quot; imperative?=C2=A0 (eg: do&#39;oko,=
 ma&#39;ako etc?)</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Or would you just decide that=C2=A0it&#39;s foolish to take the impera=
tive with your significant other and instead say &quot;.e&#39;o mi&#39;o kl=
ama&quot;?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>.i&#39;o ki&#39;e rodo</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e neit</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div =
class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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